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Obviously, most of you are parents already, so this is a great place to post this question.

I am pregnant right now and am due on April 12. I have felt/known that there are two spirits/entities travelling with me at all times. The funny thing is, that one feels material (inside my tummy) and the other feels external. Also I feel very connected to the external spirit, but the one inside is Just the little baby kicking me, not much connection. Can anyone relate to this? Do you think they might be the same, they just have not merged yet (not safe til after the birth)?

What do you think?

Lo
 
I can only speak from my own experience, which is pretty much in line with what i've heard others say about spirits incarnating.

i felt exactly what you describe... the baby inside me is exactly that, the baby inside me. i had conversations with the spirit that came with the baby, but was still more universal, and not so much material in the body. even after the baby (our first) was born, it felt like the spirit was much bigger than the baby. At about 6 weeks, things started to even out. He was a pretty well-grounded/incarnated baby, but he would still have "zonked out time" too. Every year it seemed to get less, and now that he is three, it feels like he is reaching full incarnation.

Our youngest is slightly different... he was much more present right from the get-go... i communicated with him in utero, but he didn't feel as widely spread as our first...
When born, he was much more present than our first. He seemed to not be as much "out of it" when sleeping, he was more alert and interactive than our first, and even now that he is only 16 months, almost half the age of our oldest, their incarnation levels seem identical.

For me incarnation is the willingness of the spirit or soul to be in the body. I have always been able to detect this in a sensing kind of way... I don't really measure it against anything, but I can feel hesitation or trepidation of the soul/spirit to be fully engaged with the material body or on the material planes of the Earth.

Another feeling you describe (if I am understanding this correctly) is that you feel two spirits? I have felt two spirits even before I was with my husband, I knew that I would have two children. Then, after we had our first child, we were surprised to learn that a third child/soul announced itself :-) Now we have two children, and I am still feeling the third (who used to be the second spirit/soul) around. We are waiting for her to let us know that it is time. :-)
 
I will share my own story.
My husband and I were planning on having a second child. One night before going to bed, I could hear like a voice inside me: if you make love now, I will come....
Few weeks later I found out I was pregnant.
My first child, a daughter, has always been more attached to her father and to her grandparents as to me. She loves me and I love her, we have a fine relation, but I just can feel she is 'daddy's child'.
When I was pregnant of the second child (my son), again one time there was this voice : this child will be YOURS, it will come for YOU.
And indeed, from the moment he was born , my son was much more attached to me. It even went that far, that when he was a baby, I could never leave him with somebody else, when it was really necessary, he would cry until I returned, it really was not a pleasure for anyone else to take care of him when I was not there. This got better when he was about 3 years old. But still I can feel very much that of all people he is most attached to me (he is 11 now), we often seem to understand each other without words.

But.....I heard that voice one more time, and it said : he will be yours till he is 21....this scared me a lot for a long time, but then I realised this 'voice' would not tell me bad news so bluntly, it probably means something like, when he is 21, he 'flows out of the nest'....

Eevee
 
thank you for your replies,

THis amazing thing that is happening to my body and surrounding me, I wish I could share with everyone. It seems though that only a very few are open to the idea of incarnating. It is hard to share only the topical thing about pregnancy ( the not so enjoyable stuff) yet have to hide the knowledge about life etc that I feel I am constantly receiving. It is nice to have a place to share?

Lauren
 
It sure is good to have this forum. I'm only a newbie myself... but it has already been invaluable to me to be here.

I am sure that you are starting to get eager to meet your baby. If you would like, I would be willing to share my birth stories with you, on how our boys came into this world.
I had two homebirths, and I realize that that is not for everyone (especially here in North America; in Europe it is much more common and considered "normal"), but it isn't so much about location of birth as it is about attitude and feeling empowered and all.
Feel free to PM me, or to ask questions right here on the board. I will be more than happy to share my thoughts on childbirth.

Take good care of yourself, mama! You are about to embark on the most amazing, scary, exhillerating, fascinating, tiring and loving journey of your life.
 
Hi mandala,

I am also having a home birth. I have been spending the past few days gathering supplies from the list that my midwife gave us. It just hit me last night about 2 am. That as much as it would be hard for me to have my mother present at the out home birth (different opinions on everything). I sure am glad that she will be here afterwards, because there is going to be alot of shhets and towels to wash:)
I would love to hear your birth stories. I am getting really anxious for the day. It was funny, last week at my appointment, I told my midwife that I had been told that the baby would arrive on Mar 21 and that I was told that it was a boy ( we will see if my intuition is as off then as it has been this whole pregnancy), my midwife wrote the date down just so she doesn't plan anything. It made me chuckle inside as I pictured a medical doctor rolling his eyes at us.

Lauren
 
Lauren, I'd be very happy to share my births with you. I had my mother present for both births, she stayed with us for 3 months with each birth, and it was a godsend. Sure, it meant territorium issues, and opinions on what was best for babe, but keep in mind: this child will be born with YOU, not with HER. You are going to be the best mother for this child, because s/he has chosen to live, love and learn with YOU.
Also, the towels and bedding and all: get hydrogen peroxide, run a cold bath half-full, chuck the soiled laundry in, add two bottles of hyd.peroxide, let it sit for an hour, and throw in laundry. No stains, no hassle, everything clean.
Another tip, if you have the $$, is to get a post-partum doula for a few days until your mother comes, should she not be there immediately after.

That was the practical stuff. Let me know how you would like me to share my birth stories and experiences. In a new thread? In this thread? Through email?
 
Hi There,

Mandala, I saw that you tried to send a message to me, but it did not come through on my side! You would be best to email me.

or please feel free to share your experiences here, if you think others might enjoy them. Thanx Lauren

Evee,

what a neat experience. I have a hard time trusting my intuition with pregnancy so far, because I HAVE HAD SOME WEIRD ENCOUNTERS (ooops caplock). I have found it hard to separate animal instinct from intuition.

Lauren
 
Oh it was a message about a babybook that I came across on the web... thought you might want to look at it for the book you want to make for your babe...

handmade baby book

It is so beautiful! Couldn't resist... :)
 
Child birth is a magical thing. My mother was present for the birth of my son. I could not have done it with out her. During my pregnancy it felt as if there was a light maybe more like energy in my womb. My boy's soul definately belongs to my soul. It seemed that as if my boy had his own personality the moment he entered this world. My child is a "high need" child and is quite similar to me. Proir to his bith I new his name and what he looked like. I also new his sex prior to finding out during a sonogram. Best of luck.
 
Lauren, would you be willing to share some of those "weird encounters" as you say... perhaps we could help you find your trust in yourself and in the pregnancy...

wrt my birth stories... I decided that I will not post the entire birthstory, because this is not a birth forum. I will send those to you personally. I will take those aspects which I see as fitting in with this forum, and post them.
I am working on those, 's just that we have a bad cold going round this week, and I seem to be wiping noses every other word. :-)

Take care!
 
The most profound experiences i had during pregnancy, communicating with my children in utero... or communications from my children in utero.

I conceived of our first the day that my Father in law (fil) had a major heart attack. We didn't know that this had happened... we live in Canada, he lives in the UK, and we had been out all day.
It was found that fil needed a bypass... quickly. Because of the timing of conception coinciding with fil's heart attack, I was already alerted to the fact that our child might have a strong connection with fil, or with my partner's family in general.
The day of the operation, I was about 25 weeks pregnant, the baby suddenly stopped moving. It was so quiet in my womb, that I was slightly concerned, but keeping the faith that this might have something to do with fil being in surgery at that exact time. Calling family, this was confirmed... the surgery had just started an hour ago, which coincided with the sudden quiet in my womb.

After about 6 hours, I suddenly felt movement again. I told dh that his father must have come to from the operation. Half an hour later the phone rang, it was mil, telling us that fil had come to half an hour ago. :-)

Another time the baby didn't move. I was concerned this time, because we knew that fil was okay, and hopping around in his garden. I called my mother, who does muscle testing. She lives in the Netherlands, so it would be testing across distance. The outcome was a sentence in a book: "swimming with dolphins". I thought "whatever..." and soon the baby started to move again. A day later, I was visiting with new neighbours, who have a three year old, Reno. Reno suddenly climbed up on my lap quite um, shall I say "lively"? His mother warned him: careful of the baby in Mandala's tummy! He looked at me, and said that the baby wasn't there today. I asked him where the baby was, and he answered "swimming with the dolphins".

I woke up one morning, with a thought loud and clear in my mind: "This is a boy, and he will be called Joshua". Okay then! He had introduced himself. Dh totally agreed with the name (phew!).
A week later we decided that his second name would be Leslie, a family name in dh's family; held by dh's grandfather and uncle. It fitted very well with his first name and our last name... it just *felt* right.
Once Josh was born, dh's parents visited from the UK when Josh was 7months old. Fil immediately commented that Josh was the spitting image of his brother Leslie. Later on we received photos from another family member, and some of the photos were of dh's grandfather. We can now see the incredible similarities (Josh is now 3 years old, we wouldn't have been able to see that at 7months).

During the last month of pregnancy, I was very reluctant to lie on my side. That was kind of awkward, since the side is the easiest for sleeping while highly pregnant. But with pillows and lots of space it worked.
During labour, things seemed to stagnate, I was getting concerned. Up to that point, I had been very confident. But now I was getting uncomfortable with the hints I felt that the midwives were dropping about "moving things along". I was pretending to have pushing contractions (yeah right, as if they wouldn't know the difference) but I was in fact politely pushing along. I asked the midwives, rather urgently, what I could do. They suggested that I lie on the bed, on my side. I told them that I was reluctant to do so, since I hadn't wanted to do so for three months. They said it was their experience that it would help, so I did. But as soon as I had my next contraction, the heart rate of the baby went down from 130 to 90. This was not good. I was ordered to lie on my other side. The heart rate went down to 60. This meant cord trouble. This was bad. The backup midwife left to call 911 for an emergency transfer to the hospital. My primary midwife told me that the baby needed to come out now. I totally agreed with her, I was adamant that this baby would be born at home, not in an ambulance or hospital. I ordered dh to get a kitchen chair, to put it in the living room, and for him to sit on it. The backup midwife is still on the phone (this is all within a minute of her getting up to call)... I squat in front of dh, hold on to his sweater around the waist, and I bear down. Josh was born within two pushes. The backup midwife was still passing on vital stats for the ambulance.

The reason I mention this, is that I had given away my authority while becoming insecure. I no longer took their counsel, I was looking to them for authority. The moment I was given it back (when the primary mw told me that the baby needed to come out now) I was in control, knew what to do and how to do it. I took this to heart with my second labour, which lasted all of an hour from the moment I knew I was in labour until the birth of the placenta. I kept in touch with what I was feeling... and I communicated with my unborn child. He told me to take off my pants, and whoosh, the first show appeared. Not a stain in my panties. I said to dh that I wished my water would break: whoosh, it broke. I heard a voice inside me saying: Hello, I'm coming now. I told dh to get "the chair" (same setup as first birth), I squatted, pushed and the primary midwife had to yell: Stop pushing!, or I would have pushed him out in one push. It took two pushes. The midwives were in our house for respectively 3 minutes and 15 minutes. I had made the tea for the first to arrive myself, I was still only having "menstrual cramp-like pain" when she arrived.
I didn't have any tearing for either birth. Both babes were fine and had full apgar scores. As long as I listened to my inner self, I felt totally connected with the needs of my children.

That is my main wish for you> that you may find trust that, whichever kind of birth your child choses, your body knows what to do. You can communicate with your children. You can ask them what they need, you can tell them what is going to happen. Dh was already prepared for emergencies to talk to the baby about closing chakras in case of an emergency birth, either through vacuum extraction or c-section or something. These things are not outside your control. But it requires trust. I wish for you that you will follow your own intuition, fully trusting the feelings you are having, each moment. That you can ride the pains, knowing that they are preparing your body just that step further for the arrival of your child.

Please let me know if you have any questions. PM me if you want to email. I wish you happy birthing, and a beautiful, peaceful babymoon. Time is getting closer... I am thinking of you and your babe. (((((hugs)))))
 
thank you for the stories...

Mandala, I feel like my time is very soon though my intuition of it being a boy on march 21 has come and gone ( maybe that will be another childs date). Can you tell me more about your husband readying himself to guide your child to close chakras? I have had many dreams and thoughts concerning keeping my baby's head covered, and am looking for a way to do this without physically always putting a hat on it's head (am i making sense). Maybe someway to clean the energy field around them so the baby will be safe when not in body.

Lo
 
Lauren, just very plainly telling the baby to close his/her chakras. That's most of it. The baby's head does not need to be covered/protected during the birth if it is a normal birth, at home, dimmed lights, gentle birthing experience and all.
After birth, it is only normal for a child to be exposed to the energies in the world. You may want to keep the child away from extreme stimulation for the first while, slowly exposing the child to the world... Also, you and the child are one, energetically speaking. Carrying the child in a sling (let me know if you need info on those, got lots of info) instead of pushing it around in a stroller, sleeping close to the baby, ... these things allow for you to process the energies instead of the child having to do that all alone. Otherwise the child will need lots of hug-and-cuddle time to balance his/her energy with yours again, since the child's energy (especially when nursing!) is identical to yours. You are the child's grounding. The baby can pass on negative or superfluous energies to you, you process them for the baby. It is such a beautiful thing!

As for physical hats... they don't protect the child from energies. They protect the child from elements and from loss of body heat. You can tell the baby to close certain chakras, or you can hold the child and visualize a white/protective light around you if you feel it is needed... you can also ask guardians/helpers to assist the child with this. It is up to you to decide whether it is needed to wear a hat, depending on the day, on the weather, on your location, etc... whatever *you* feel comfortable with, and what *you* feel you can take responsibility for.

I felt that my oldest, who was due on Christmas Eve, would be born on the 21st. He was born on the 19th. I had, however, always known that he couldn't be a capricorn. That just wouldn't have fit in with our family. And sure enough he's a saggitarius.
Our youngest was due on Nov. 5th, and I was hoping that he would be born on Nov. 1st. Nope. He was born a good few days before that too. We don't know about dates. We can only feel that there is an energetical importance to those dates. Perhaps the process of birthing was started on the 21st? The hormones were triggered then? Isn't that when the actual birth starts? When the body is told that "things need to start moving"?
Who will say? The baby will come when the baby feels it is the *perfect* time, and that the *perfect* circumstances for that baby are all aligned.

Trust, mama. Trust. Everything is exactly the way it is *meant to be*.
 
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