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Memories of The 1930s NY

Lily

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Hello Everyone,
I haven't posted here in a while, but some of you may remember my story. I posted my story about my most recent past life memories here at the forum quite a while back, but since my earlier posts are no longer available in the archives, I would like to repost my *long* story...I have very *vivid* detailed memories of my prior life. The majority of my PL memories are of the mid to late 1930s in NY. The story of how my PL memories came to me is a long story in itself, but I believe this is an important part of my story and may be of interest to some of you who haven't read it...It will take me a number of posts to tell my story in detail, so I'll be posting my story here in parts.

In my present life I was born in 1940 in Los Angeles, CA. I have one brother, his name is Michael, and he is two and a half years younger than me...When I was a young child first beginning to explore my LA neighborhood, I can remember looking everywhere for a creek I was sure I would find somewhere near my home. I could clearly remember walking along a creek on the way to a small neighborhood market, yet no matter how many times I searched my neighborhood, I was never able to find the creek or the little neighborhood market. What puzzled me even more was that I could remember walking along the creek with my brother and friends who were on longer in my life.-- I knew that my little brother at home was not the same brother and I wondered what had happened to my (other) brother and family...I have a vague memory of asking my mother what had happened to the creek,(the water) but I don't think I was able to communicate well enough for her to be able to understand what I was really asking her about.

I think I came to believe (for a time) that there must be two worlds. I was fascinated by stories of brownies or "little people" and I'd keep trying to find this "other" world...Also when I was young I had reoccurring nightmares of falling (usually from a tall pole) and I would wake up feeling terrified, with my heart pounding...Beside these falling nightmares, I had many fears as a child, that I believe were related to my (recent) PL traumas...I eventually outgrew the nightmares and overcame many of my fears, but I've had a life-long fear of heights (though my fear of heights is no longer as severe as it once was)...The flashbacks and memories that confused me when I was young faded to the back of my mind as I grew older, and I had a pretty normal childhood after that.

I married my childhood sweetheart at age 16 and we were very much in love for the first few years of our marriage. In time my young husbands irresponsibility, money problems and both of our immaturity caused problems in our marriage. Ater 4 years of marriage, I divorced my husband, but ended up going back with him a year later, mainly because of our two children.

When I was 23 years old I began to feel very troubled. It started with my feeling a longing to find my "soulmate" (my truelove). I felt a deep emptyness inside and believed that I could never feel complete or happy until I was with my soulmate that I was meant to be with. My mind gradually turned inward until my fantasy world became my reality. My obsession with finding my soulmate eventually led to my having delusions...I insisted on having only a platonic relationship with my husband, because in my confused state of mind, I felt that I could only give my love to my (one and only) soulmate.

Not long after my delusions began, I had some very shocking and painful flashbacks come to me suddenly. These flashbacks came to me in bits and pieces, a little at a time, and they were so vivid that I actually believed they were memories from my current childhood,(memories I had blocked out somehow)...I struggled for years after this trying to fit the sad, painful, or traumatic new memories that kept surfacing in with my prior childhood memories--But the more I remembered, the more confused I became, because the new memories were just too different...Also the areas and places I kept remembering, (in great detail) were very different than any of the places or areas where I had actually lived,(in my present life)...My mind was in so much turmoil and pain during this all of this upheaval, that I was barely able to function...Of course my mental state was very hard for my husband to understand or deal with, and he eventually found another woman.

When my husband suddenly gave me notice to pack up and leave, it came as a terrible shock, and was a very rude awakening for me. I won't go into all the details here of what happened after that except to say that I was forced for a time to move in with my parents who took over my children and treated me like an outsider, or the family idiot, (but that's another story)...I was very miserable, lonely and lost in my own little world, during the year or so I lived with my folks, but I eventually managed to come out of my "inner world" enough so that I could get a factory job.--I did this out of shear desperation I believe, even in the confused state of mind I was in, so that I could move out and into my own apartment with my children.

By the time I was 27 years old, I was in a new relationship, still very confused in my thinking and pregnant with my 3rd. child. My boyfriend/father figure,(7 years my senior)and I moved in together soon after we found that I was pregnant. My boyfriend knew that I was in a very troubled state of mind and he encouraged me to tell him about the painful memories that continued to huant and disturb me...As I talked to my boyfriend about my memories, regularly, I found that I was able to remember more things in greater detail, and more of the pieces of the puzzle (as it seemed to me then) were connecting, but the memories still would not fit in with my other childhood memories.--It was like I had two separate sets of childhood memories and my newer, very painful memories were just as vivid as my other childhood memories.

One evening as I was reviewing and reliving (to a point) some of my more disturbing memories, and telling my boyfriend about the feeling they brought on, a picture of a creek flashed through my mind. Suddenly I remembered my childhood flashbacks of the creek and the little neighborhood market that I had tried to find in vain...After this I had a breakthrough in my memories, and it was then I finally realized, that the painful memories which had confused me for years, were actually memories of my prior life.

I could remember then that my name had been "Colleen" and that I had been 13 years old when my painful experiences (with boys) had first begun. I remembered that I had a brother named, Johnny, who was a few years younger than me, and that I had a half-sister named, Trudy, who was several years younger than my brother Johnny. (I later rememberd a baby half-brother, whose name I could not recall)...I seemed to just know that I had lived in New York, but I couldn't remember an address, or even the name of the city.-- I later remembered a street name, (Cortlandt) and after researching this name along with other clues that my flashbacks provided, I eventually came to believe that I had most likely lived in the S. Bronx.

As a young teenaged girl named Colleen, my self image was extremely poor and this was mainly due to abuse I suffered over a long period of time, because of my love (and obsession) over an older boy who used and abused me to bolster his own ego...I saw myself as a skinny, pale, freckle-faced girl with curly, bushy hair that was hard to control. I had a thin heart-shaped face and my hair was a dirty or rusty blonde color. I found that I was able to see pictures in my mind of most of my (former) family members and especially my brother Johnny.

In my next post, (part 2) I'll tell about some of the sad, painful and traumatic experiences I remembered that were so disturbing in this PL, (without going into too much detail) beginning when I was 13 years old and ending with my accidental death at age 15.

One of the main reasons it continues to be important to me to tell my story about this relatively recent Past life, is because I strongly believe I must have former family members (mainly siblings) who are still living. I can't give up the hope that I will one day be able to validate my PL memories and then locate former family members, but time is running out for me to be able to do this I feel.

I plan to continue my story, on a new thread, hopefully within the week...In the meantime, I would welcome any feedback or questions any of you might have regarding this part of my story.

In LOve and Light,



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Lily~
 
Hi Lily,

Nice to see you again. ;

I am in New York right now..lower East Side Manhatten to be exact..I have two days before I leave for California...anywhere you'd like me to check out? Cannot promise anything..just opening the door to possibilites.

Also-- no internet connection after Wednesday evening until I get home...So be fast!


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Love,
Deborah

Lifes experiences weave a tapestry of knowledge
 
Hi Deborah,
Thanks for your greeting and for your generous offer to help me check out some things (pertaining to my PL memories) during the time you were in Manhattan... I did try to reply to you, ( I sent a lengthy reply here 7/31, late that night) but it never posted... I did let you know, via private email, the following day though, so hope that you at least received my 2 emails by now...I hope you had a wonderful visit and stay during the time you were in "the big apple"!

I wouldn't have wanted you to use any of your vacation time up trying to help me validate my memories, but since you brought this up, there are several things I've been trying to find out about for years now, that I believe could help me in validating my PL memories.

At the end of my story, (which will take me a number of posts) I had planned to tell about the vivid flashbacks I have of certain places and events I believe provide the best clues to pinpointing the exact location where I lived in my PL...I've decided to go ahead and do this on this thread too. This way, if anyone reading this part of my story may have knowledge of old NY,(especially the Bronx)or know one or two old timers they could ask. Or maybe someone might have a suggestion on a way for me to find the info I'm looking for without actually traveling to NY. (I live in Portland, OR and can't afford to travel).

I'll be posting the description of these areas (and/or events)I have the *vivid* flashbacks of here soon. But first I want to wait and make sure that this reply goes through since my last reply never posted.

In LOve & Light,


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Lily~
 
Dear Lily, your post is very interesting. I would just like to make a comment: it sounds like you might have been Irish descent, maybe an immigrant, or your family was immigrant. (arent we all? lol)

Also, I would like to add that your current relationship sounds so stable, with your boyfriend helping you recover your memory.

love, barbara
 
Hi Lily

It’s really late where I am presently, so I don’t want to start babbling, but just had to acknowledge your warm, honest and open post, as it had me intrigued and I can’t wait to read the other instalments you have to share when you get the time.

Thanks for a great read Lily…My eyes and ears are peeled back to learn more.

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Lots of Love
Kelly
 
Hi Barbara,
Thank you for you feedback about my PL story...I may have had irish ancestry, but I'm not sure.

I eventually married my boyfriend, but we didn't have a good marriage, he was a very selfish and controlling person.

More of my story later.

In LOve & Light,

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Lily~
 
Hi Kelly,
I'm glad you've enjoyed reading the first part of my story. My story about my PL memories is very long because I have so many detailed memories. So it will take me some time and a lot of typing.-- I'm afraid I'm a bit slow.

Thank you for your interest in my story!

In Love & Light,


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Lily~
 
Hi All,
As I said I would, I'll describe here some things I remember about the area where I lived in my PL that could turn out to be good clues.

I remember that the area where I lived had a very busy city atmosphere in the main part of town, yet it had a country atmosphere in certain other areas, (but this was in the 1930s)... Besides the creek which was near my home, their was a stream, quite a long walking distance from my home. I remember we would walk up a dirt hill on the way to the stream. I seem to remember that people went to the stream to fish for rainbow trout. My brother and I use to use bent pins for hooks trying to catch fish, but I don't think we were sucessful...I have a flashback of walking in a large, flat, open stretch of land and there were small rocky hills to the side. Behind the smaller hills were some tall cone-shaped hills that came to a high peak. Up in the taller hills there were coyotes, or wild dogs, and if you walked by at night you could hear them howl. In the far distance I remember seeing a very large hill, (it may have been a mountain, but I think it was just a large hill). This hill was worn and barren looking and shaped like a smoke stack. I seem to remember that there was a much smaller dirt hill next to the larger hill, and both hills, and the surrounding area had very light colored soil...Another very vivid memory I have is of seeing a life-sized statue of the RCA Victor dog on a wooden platform, out on the sidewalk in front of a music store. Music played from overhead speakers I remember...I've had flashbacks of a small neighborhood theater, and the name that came to me (phonetically) when I first remembered this movie theater was, "The Centarian".(it may really have been The Centurian). Around the corner from this small movie theater there was a pennyarcade. I have a distinct memory of going with a group teenaged friends to the back of the arcade where there we could find flip-pictures that were a little risque.-- We would look through a viewer and turn the handle to see the pictures move...Another vivid memory I have is of seeing a latin-type man with curly black hair and who was missing both his legs. This man sold newpapers and magazines at a very busy intersection and would use his hands to propel himself on a small wooden coaster across the busy streets...I'll tell about one more flashback here that could provide a clue. I had a flashback of there being a special Lincoln Memorial train that came to town on Lincoln's birthday. People were allowed to board the train and walk through one of the cars that contained important papers and other Lincoln memorabilia...There are other memories and flashbacks I have of the area that could provide even more clues. Eventually I'll get around to telling about the my others memories, but I'll bring this post to an end now.

L&L,

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Lily~
 
PL Memories of the 1930s Part 2

Hi Everyone,
I'll continue my story about my PL memories, but first I would like to fill in a more background about my present life.

In my present life, I lived in the same house and LA neighborhood from the age of about 3 yrs. old until I was almost 10 yrs. old. My childhood memories are quite clear and connected at least from the age of 7 yrs. and up... I was very wrapped up in playing with the other children in my neighborhood and was a bit of a tomboy until I was about 8 yrs.old. At 8 yrs.old, the more feminine side of my personality began to blossom...With my neighborhood friends I was quite outgoing, but in school I was just the opposite. I was very timmid and afraid to initiate conversations with the other children, especially in a group atmosphere.

When I was almost 10 yrs. old, we moved to Manhattan Beach, CA. Manhattan Bch. had a quiet, small town atmosphere during the 1950s. I lived the remainder of my childhood in this quiet beach town and I was never exposed to rough type kids...I met my first husband when I was 15 yrs.old. We were both in the acapella choir in our high school (in Manhattan Bch.) He was the first and only boy I actually dated, or became intimate with. We married when I was 16 yrs. old and my boyfriend was 19.

Without going into too much detail, I'll now tell about some of the painful, shocking and traumatic memories that surfaced from the time I was 23 yrs. old until I was 27 yrs. old. (when I had the breakthrough in my memories)

I remember being approached by a new boy in the neighborhood who was much older than me. I found him very good looking and I immediately felt extremely attracted to him. As I remember, his name was Tommy, and he was very forward. At first he was very nice to me and charming, but he began making advances towards me very soon after this. Because of the extreme attraction I felt towards him, I wasn't able to resist his advances for very long...It didn't take much time for me to realize that Tommy was just using me, but by then I was so attached to him that I would do just about anything that he asked in order to hold on to him.

Tommy had a great need to brag about himself and I seemed to know this was because he had a terrible lack of self esteem. It wasn't long before Tommy began introducing me to other boys and I could see that he was using me to bolster his ego...In time Tommy began charging groups of boys from his high school to have sex with me. At first I would refuse, but he would always be able to coax me into it. He would say that I had to help him so that he wouldn't loose face and he would tell me that "we" needed money. When that didn't work, he would tell me that he would never see me again if I let him down in front of his high school friends.

The first few boys weren't really tough kids, but I hated my experiences with the them... I wasn't over the shock, heartbreak, and pain of having to meet with the first group of boys, when Tommy arranged for me to meet with a 2nd. group. The 2nd. group of boy were much tougher and unfeeling I soon found, and I was so traumatized by my experiences with these boys, that it caused me terrible mental pain and turmoil when these memories began resurfacing. I was forced to relive the many painful emotions I had experienced during this terrible ordeal, almost as if it had just happened.

I allowed myself to be used, abused, and ridiculed, by many different boys after that...Over time I grew numb, to a degree,at least on the outside, but I was really seething on the inside... There were times when I would try to break away from Tommy, the boys and the abuse, but no matter what Tommy put me through, I never seemed to be able to stay away from him for very long...I eventually was able to break away from Tommy and his (by then) gang of boys, but only after it became obvious that they were all making fun of me and were even trying to get me to leave.

I'll continue on with my story (part 2) soon... I hope this posts ok, because I tried to post this part of my story last night, but it never posted.

In LOve & Light,




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Lily~
 
Hi Lily

So glad you got it posted it up again…just sorry that you lost it first time round!!!

Do you know what age you were when these experiences started happening with Tommy???…I noticed you mentioned he was older and in high school, so you must have been pretty young (although school ages are different over here in England to America, so I may be over judging).

If it’s not too personal … did you ever recognise Tommy as being someone you have encountered in your present life??? What a life…did no-one else see what was happening to you at the time??? I think I remember in your previous thread, you posted that you had an older brother in this life…did he not know anything about it??? How traumatic it must have been…it’s left me with so many questions, but I’ll hold back and let you share a little more in case it all becomes clearer in the next post.

One other thing that crossed my mind, is how much did this affect you in your present life when the memories surfaced??? Did you have people to share them with and talk them over with???

I’m intrigued to say the least….



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Lots of Love
Kelly
 
Hi Kelly,


You asked what age I was when my experiences with Tommy began...I was 13 yrs. I finally remembered,(after I had the breakthrough in my memories) and was in junior high school...You asked if I ever recognized Tommy as being someone I encountered in my present life.--This gets a little complicated for me to explain, but the answer is no...I was searching through my memories, trying to find Tommy,(who I believed was my soulmate for a time) but, since I didn't know that my memories of Tommy were from a past life, I was looking for him in my present life...When my painful PL memories first began surfacing, they seemed so recent and my wounds felt so raw, that I believed the memories were from my current childhood...I felt driven to search way back in my childhood memories to find out when the painful experiences had happened to me.

My current childhood memories were clear and connected enough, from the age of 7 1/2 on up, so I knew my experiences with Tommy and the boys couldn't have happened from that age on up. For this reason, I believed (in the confused state of mind I was in) that my painful experiences with Tommy and the boys must have happened to me when I was 7 yrs. old or younger. ( as ridiculous as this now sounds to me).

When the painful memories first began to surface, I was living with my first husband and I was in my own little world quite a bit of the time. I was able to go through the motions of caring for my 2 young children, but I really wasn't there mentally, even for my children.

You asked if I ever confided in my older brother.(I don't have an older brother, my brother is younger than me).-- When my mental pain and confusion became so great that I couldn't bare to keep it locked inside of me any longer, so I confided in my mother about my painful memories of abuse by Tommy and the boys... When I told my mother of the many painful experiences I had been remembering, and told her these things had happened to me when I was very young, she was shocked beyond belief. My mother kept saying she couldn't understand how I could possibly have suffered all the abuse I kept telling her about, (by boys who were so much older than me) without her ever knowing about it...My mother eventually told my father and brother about my painful memories,(even though I had asked her not to) but I never felt comfortable discussing any of my memories about the boys and the abuse with them...No one in my family ever really gave me emotional support through my years of mental hell. I know this was because they didn't understand what I was going through, or and how to deal with it. I believe my folks were ashamed of me.

In Love & Light,


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Lily~
 
Hi Lily

Wow, I can see how traumatic these memories must have been when they first come through to you and you were not certain of the connection between present and past…it must have been a bit of a mind game for a while there, dealing with it all!!!

And sorry about the confusion, I remembered you mentioned a brother in your life as Colleen and wondered whether he or a family member had known what was happening with Tommy and the other boys in that lifetime. I’ve read back on your first post again now though, so I got the details straight, and you had a younger brother in this time also.

I look forward to hearing more when you get the chance to post…and hopefully it will work first time this time.


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Lots of Love
Kelly
 
Hi Kelly,
Don't worry about getting confused while reading my story, it's such a looong story that this is bound to happen...Yes, sorting the two sets of memories after I had linked all the memories together in my mind for so long, was very hard to do. In a sense it was like putting the pieces of 2 giant puzzles together at the same time and trying to figure out which pieces went with which puzzle.



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Lily~
 
I'll continue on with my story about my PL memories of the 1930s in NY:

After I finally broke away from Tommy, I was very lonely and depressed. I had no friends my age, because the friends I once had would have nothing to do with me, because of my bad reputation. I would spend most of my time daydreaming about Tommy, only in my day-dreams Tommy would take me away with him and there would just be the two of us.

My memories skip then to a time when I met Tommy again at a familiar place. I was sooo happy just to see him and have him talk to me. I remember Tommy telling me that he had just joined a real gang and he was bragging about being in the gang. He told me that since I was now 14yrs. old, that I was old enough to join the gang too...I told Tommy that I was too afraid to join the gang because of the tough kids in the gang, but he told me they weren't that tough once you got to know them...As fightened as I was of the prospect of joining the gang, I saw it as an opportunity to be close to Tommy once again, and the terrible longing I had to be with Tommy again, won out (unfortunately).

I have a vivid memory of being told by Tommy that before I could join the gang, I had to prove myself by stealing something. At first I told him that I couldn't do this, but he said he would help me. Tommy said that there was a jackknife he had been wanting at the knife shop. He told me that he would distract the store owner while I swiped the knife...I remember how frightened I was as I walked into the knife shop with Tommy. And how terrified I felt as I slid the glass open and then grabbed the knife... After this I remember that we both ran out of the knife shop and soon the store owner came chasing after us, but we got away.

The initiation into the gang was especially terrible and it caused me a lot of pain when these memories surfaced...I remember that all the gang members had nicknames and I can distinctly remember a few of these gang nicknames..One was, "Tub-a-lard," Tommy was, "skinny-as-a-toothpick,"and one of the girls had the nickname, "Virgin."

I remember that there was a gang car and it was very old, even for that time period. I remember riding while standing on the running-board of this old car and it would keep stalling and would have to be cranked up again.

I can remember that the boys in the gang would leave in a group at times carrying a pillow case, and they would go out to steal things.. While the boys were gone we girls would sit together in a circle with both our fingers crossed and our arms crossed for good luck, until the boys returned with the stolen items.

I hated being in the gang, all the girls were used and abused by the boys. Also, once I joined the gang, Tommy ignored me which really broke my heart (or what was left of it)...I wanted desperately to get out of the gang, but I was too afraid, because once you knew the gang secrets, you weren't suppose to leave the gang.

My memories skip then to a time when my brother Johnny (who was about 11yrs. old then) kept trying to get me to play a game with him... I was very disturbed and depressed I remember and about all I ever did (while at home) was sit and daydream about Tommy,(trying to escape from my intensely painful emotions)...Johnny finally asked me what was wrong. I didn't want to tell him at first, but after I made him swear that he would never tell anyone, I blurted out the whole story about the gang the boys and all the abuse I had suffered, because I my love for Tommy... Johnny knew who Tommy was and he knew that I had hung out with Tommy and his friends at one time, but he had never known about the abuse. Johnny already didn't like Tommy, but after I told him the whole story, he told me he hated Tommy. I worried after that, that Johnny would tell our mother.

Johnny told me he would try to help me get out of the gang and we eventually came up with a story... I told the gang members that my mother needed me to stay home and take care of my baby brother (Johnny had told me that he would back up my story if anyone ever asked him). To my great relief the story worked and I was given permission to leave the gang, but I was warned never to tell anyone about the gang.

I would be interested in feedback or comments, and if anyone has questions about any of my story so far, I will be glad to answer them if I can...I'll continue my story soon.



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Lily~
 
Hi All,
There's something I need to add to the above post. When I was telling about the gang nicknames, I forgot one of the names, it was, "bag-a bones."-- I believe, skinny-as-a-toothpick was the first nickname Tommy had, but it was replaced by, bag-a bones.

LOve&Light,

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Lily~
 
Hi Lily

Your memories are so clear and emotionally filled, I can so see why they would be difficult to absorb when they first started filtering through with all the emotions attached!!!

I’m glad to see you had your brother Johnny there to take you out of the gang…I wonder do you know or recognise Johnny in this life at all???

I look forward to the next instalment.



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Lots of Love
Kelly
 
Hi Kelly,
Thanks for you reply! Yes, I suffered a terrible emotional upheaval during the times these painful memories were surfacing and I came close to having a complete nervous breakdown as a result...The reason my PL memories are so detailed is because of the intense emotions these experiences instilled in me...I think it's hard for most people to believe that I am able to remember these experiences in such detail from my PL,(even people who believe in reincarnation) so this hurts my credibility I'm sure...Most all the memories I have of my recent PL are of a 2 yrs. period,(when I was a young teenaged girl) but I do have some memories (also painful) of the period in my early childhood soon after my father's death.

I'll continue my story either tonight or tomorrow. Reading your reply has made me want to continue.. Thanks for your interest!

LOve&Light,


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Lily~
 
Hello Again Kelly,
I forgot to answer your last question. You asked if I have ever recognized (my PL brother) Johnny, in this life, and the answer is no...I haven't recognized anyone from my Past life, in my present life...I still hope to be able to find my brother Johnny, and if my approx. date memories are correct, he would now be about 76 yrs. old, so it's possible that he is still living.

L&L,

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Lily~
 
Ok I'm going to continue my story now.

The breakthrough in my memories took place soon after I was able to face some of my most traumatc memories...After my memory breakthrough, I knew that my painful memories were from my prior life, when I was a young teenaged girl named Colleen...Even though I was able to remember my name and the names of two of my siblings (after my memory breakthrough),I wasn't able to remember my last name, until over a year after that. (I was eventually able to recall two sur names, but I remembered these names only after pushing myself very hard to remember them, and I've never been as certain of these last names as I was of the first names, which came to me spontaneously).

I remembered that I lived in a yellow house and that we didn't have much money, but we were able to get by...I could see pictures in my mind of most of my (former) family members and also some friends and aquaintances from my PL...I tried to remember what my mother's name was and the name Wilma finally came to me, but I wasn't certain. I could remember the names of some friends and aquaintances, (but mainly just their first names)...Based on my memories of car models and styles of dress,etc., I was fairly certain that the time period was the mid to late 1930s...I didn't remember how I had died until about a year after my memory breakthrough.

My memory of the creek brought on a cold, sad feeling in me at times,and I began to feel that the creek was in some way connected to my death. I wondered at first if I had tried to take my own life, but I also had a strong feeling that I had fallen to my death.

Shortly before I had the memory breakthrough,I had a series of falling dreams (nightmares)that were very similar to the reoccuring nightmares I had,experienced as a young child...One nightmare began as most of my nightmares,-- I dreamed I was climbing a tall pole, but then suddenly (in this dream) the pole became the branch of a tree. I then heard a cracking sound and realized it was the sound of the branch breaking from the tree. I became terrified and I clung very tightly to the branch as it broke from the tree. I then experienced the usual falling sensation and I woke up with my heart pounding loudly. This nightmare seemed especially real to me I remember.

I finally had a series of flashbacks that I had to piece together, and when I had put enough of these pieces of memory together I was able to remember fill in the gaps... I remembered that when I was about 15 yrs. old, and in my first year of high school, I was in the habit of going off by myself in the creek area where I would sit and daydream for long periods of time (I was very mentally disturbed by this time)...I remembered that one day I had walked far into the creek area to where there were many tall trees. I climbed up high in one of the trees and slid out on a branch that overlooked the water. The part of the branch I was sitting on felt uncomfortable, so I slid further out on the branch, but it was too far...I heard a cracking sound then, and realized it was the sound of the branch breaking from the tree. I clung very tightly to the branch, feeling terrified, (just like in my nightmare) as the branch broke from the tree...As I fell, it seemed like I was falling in slow motion and I could see some large jagged rocks near the water below...
My next memory was of waking up under water and feeling pain in my lungs from the water I had breathed in. Immediately after that, I felt a terrible, deep penetrating, stinging pain in my head.--I knew that my head had hit one of the rocks as I had gone into the water and that I had been knocked unconscious until I breathed the water into my lungs. In my terrible pain and panic, I struggled to get to the surface of the water. I finally managed to get to the surface, but by then I had breathed in too much water to be able to keep my head above the surface for long, as a result, I drowned.

I'll continue on with more of my story soon.

In Love & Light,

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Lily~
 
Hy Lily

Don’t stop telling your experiences. Many of your feelings sound familiar to me. I see a connection between abuse, hurt feelings and finally drown… and the nightmares too.

Astrologically, it is said that the water-signs stand for the feelings. And they say, the issue that most problems causes you in a live, finally kills you.

I’ll take a chance next week to post my story regarding all this, on this topic. May I?
 
Hi Dieter,
It's interesting to me that my PL memories and feelings sound familiar to you and even the nightmares I once had.

I don't know very much about astrology, so I'm not sure about the water-sign connection to feelings etc. that you mentioned.

Of course you can jump in and tell your story any time,(the water is fine...lol.)I'll be looking forward to reading your story next week.

L&L,

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Lily~
 
Hi Lily

Your story has really pulled at my heart strings, and the last memory you just shared concerning your death hit me so visually…do you have any connecting “fears” towards heights or water carried over??? If so…did they subside at all, once these memories become apparent and “real”???



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Lots of Love
Kelly
 
Hi Kelly,
I had a fear of both water and heights when I was young. I gradually worked out most of my fears, but I still have a fear of heights at times, in certain situations.

When I was a young child I had reoccuring nightmares of falling and I was very afraid of heights... When I would go downtown with my mother, I remember being so frightened when she took me on the elavator,that I would cry and make and scene, and beg to be let out of the elevator (the falling sensation terrified me)...I also remember being so afraid of having my hair washed at one time that I would scream and cry, but as I grew older I overcame this fear... One night when I was quite young I remember going to bed and it was pouring down rain outside. I couln't sleep because the heavy rain scared me so badly. I kept going into my parents room and asking them when the rain was going to stop. I told them that I was afraid it was raining too much. My folks kept telling me not to be silly and to go back to bed... I couldn't go to sleep though because I kept imagining the rain was creating a huge pool of water and that it would soon begin coming in my bedroom window and then my room would fill up with water.-- I'd keep going to the window to check and make sure the water wasn't up to the window yet.

As I said, I worked out most of my childhood fears by the time I remembered my death in my PL, so I don't think remembering how I died made much of a difference in my fear level by that time.

LOve&Light,




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Lily~
 
When I was a kid, I had a fear of water. (Anyway, I had a whole lot of phobias. I worked them mostly out, but silly enough, I got two new phobias in the last years…)
Repeatedly I had this nightmare where I walk on a small pathway in a wood on a hillside very close to the house of my grandparents. The pathway is close to the border of the wood, beyond there is a grain field. In my dream, there is a lake instead. I struggle, I fall and I roll down the slope into the water, and I drown as I see the daylight breaking through the water. I wake up horrified, I open my eyes and I see the light of a breaking day coming through the curtains.
We often made one day trips to the mountains, The road would lead beside a lake for some kilometers. There was nothing but some posts of stone and one or two meters of field between the street and the lake. I was always terrified when we passed by the lake. I feared that our car could fall in the water and that we might drown. I sat on the backseat, unable to move, and I felt my guts being squeezed just of terror. It was horrible, and I never was able to tell anyone.

I worked this fear out by the years. And now, I drive daily on this road that caused so much pain to me. Today, the road is a lot safer. As I look on the lake now, I hope that all the details of my past live may surface soon.
So far I found out that my last life finished as I drowned. I was about 30 years old. We were sitting in a Volkswagen, me and another woman on the backseat, two young men on the frontseats. It was about five o’clock in the morning, we were all pretty drunk. The driver got confused with the lights of a crossing car or truck reflecting on the wet street and on the raindrops on the frontshield of our car. He lost control, the truck hit us and our car was thrown into a lake. We were all very badly hurt, and I was squeezed in the backseat. I could hardly breathe and finally I drowned. That must have been in the 1950’s.
During WWII, I had lost my familiy, and I had been abused and tortured by the Nazis. Half German, half polish or czech, I was just enough Arian not to be sent to a Camp.
I had lost a two years old baby, and under torture, I had betrayed an anti-Nazi friend of my dad. I felt miserable for that for the rest of my life.

So,your story sounds really familiar to me.

Lots of Love
Dieter
 
Hi Dieter,
Your story about your nightmares, fears and phobias, and your detailed memories about your death had quite an affect on me. Reading your story made me cry, and I don't usually cry when I read the story of someone's death here at the forum... I feel a connection between my death experiences in my PL and your death experiences in your PL during the 1950s.-- Also we've had similar fears and phobias, resulting from the pain and trauma we suffered at the time of our deaths.

Your story is very interesting and it's of such a recent time period. Do you know what country you lived in, or what nationality you were in your PL during the 1950s? Do you have any other memories of that life, or do you only remember the details of your car accident and drowning in the lake?-- If you knew the location of where you had the accident, there's a good chance you could validate your memories and maybe find former family or friends. Have you had any flashbacks of your family from this life?

As for your WWII memories, they sound very sad, but I can't relate to them like I can to the memories of your death from the accident. What year do you think it was when you died?

LOve&Light,


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Lily~
 
Hi Lily

Thank you so much for sharing the feelings.
I think I died between 1953 and 1956 in Germany. I remember quite a few moments of that past life. I had one younger sister and my parents were really great. My name was probably Ludmilla, "Milli".
One stormy night, I saw a hardly visible red point far away on the hill side getting stronger and stronger. A flash had set a house on fire. Suddenly I felt that soon the whole world would be on fire. I was unable to move, finally my dad came and hugged me. I then felt that he knew a lot more than I of all the terrible things to come. He was such a wise soul.
Years later, I had to face the burning city of Dresden (?). Again, I had lost my home. By then, my parents, my sister, my baby and his father had been killed. I was all alone. The only living person of my family was my aunt, but I didn’t know where she was.
So, as a child in my actual live, I used to study a map of Europe looking for the place where my aunt was. I told my parents about, but they would not understand.
The problem ist that I have a lot of memories, but I just can’t remember any names. The only thing I remember is “Pleinitz”, which doesn’t exist. (Larry Z on this forum gave me some important hints on that name which I will check out).
It seems that one part of myself is afraid that all these memories REALLY might be true. Thus, I prefere not to remember clearly. The other part of myself would check out all the places, if only I could remember. I feel that my dead body is still in that sunken car, and I would like him to rest.
What I see only now is what you stated on your post of Augsut 14: “sorting the two sets of memories was a hard thing to do”. I understand now that this is what I have to do: I have to separate the feelings of the past life from my actual life. The pain is gone, no need to worry!
Oh boy, it’s so great to know someone with so similar experiences.
How do you handle your memories? How did you manage to remember all those names?

Lots of love
Dieter
 
Hi Dieter,
I think the fact that we both suffered so much trauma in our past lives and that we both died young in accidents, and both of us came back very soon, (into our present lives) is significant...This could be why we both have remembered so many things in great detail and we've suffered confusion since our dual sets of memories both seem so recent and vivid...I see in your case you were a female in your PL and I wonder if that adds to your confusion?...Also how old are you now?-- I'm curious to know how soon after your death in your PL, you were born into your present life.

Sorting out my memories caused me a lot of pain at one time, because in order to do this, I had to dig into, and relive, some very painful traumas...The upheaval of intense emotions were very hard for me to deal with when they first surfaced, but once I uncovered some of the most painful memories, and worked through them, I had the breakthrough in my memories. After this my mental pain and confusion began to lessen, but this was a very gradual process...It took me many years to get to the point where I was no longer deeply bothered, or confused by my PL memories.

Have you thought of trying past life regression to see if you might be able to recover more names etc., which could help you in validating your PL memories?...I eventually tried PL regression with a qualified hypnotherapist who specialized in PL regression, but I wasn't able to recall anything new under hypnosis, that helped me in researching or validating my PL memories. I wasn't able to go into a deep state of hypnosis.

I do remember some names, but most of the names I remember are first names. The two family last names that I later recalled, came to me only after I kept pushing myself to remember them, and sometimes I wonder if they're correct...If my memory is correct, my brother's name was, "John Chesney."

I'm glad you've been posting your story here, and it helps me too, to know that I'm not alone in having such detailed PL memories. I hope we will both be able to fill in the missing pieces enough so that we can validate our memories and locate the exact area where we lived and died. And wouldn't it be wonderful if we could locate some of our relatives!

I'll be continuing my story with my after-death memories on a new thread (Part 3) very soon.

LOve*Light,



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Lily~
 
Lily...I've greatly enjoyed reading all your posts and threads, and can only apologise for my recent quiet ways and silent roaming and reading, but I've been washed under in work and general living, that my mental energies are suffering...LOL...but I look forward to hearing and reading your next post.

And you post with such calm and simplicity with some of the most traumatic memories, that it is easy to see how far you've have come in "sorting" out these memories and bringing about a healing in the present...that is a great achievement.

And it is interesting how similar and in tune both your's and Dieter's memories and experiences are...I look forward to seeing this thread grows, and hope you both find all your answers...it's always exciting to see ideas bounce off of eachother in this way, forming a wider and vaster understanding and outlook...like ripples on a body of water.

Lots of Love
Kelly


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Gosh this really is the most interesting thread that I have ever read! And like you Dieter, I can't really remember any names. Just that which was connected to me, Helena, I don't know whether this was my name or a name of a character that I played in the theatre. (Funnily enough my Grandmother-in-law is called that)

But like you Lily, I have always had feelings that I have been abused, or raped at some stage, even though I definitely know that it didn't happen in this lifetime! This lifetime has been so wonderful that I truly am very grateful to God. But one day when I get time I would love to post my memories here. I saw so many similarities in the memory coming back. Like you I absolutely balled my eyes out when they started flooding me (but I was watching a very funny comedy, he).

But anyway, thank you for sharing your most fascinating memories. Kuka!
 
Hi Lily, Kelly and Kuka
Thanks for your encouraging posts.
Lily, I died in 1953 or in 1956, and I have been reborn in 1960. Yes, I tried past life regression (no hypnosis was used). It helped me a lot , but it couldn’t help me to remember any names or dates, and I couldn’t find out WHY I was unable to remember. (Well, say, I can’t even remember what I had for lunch yesterday, LOL). It feels like a wall of lead is blocking my brain, or like a lot of little windows are being closed one after another.

I think finding out that I was female in my PL didn’t confuse me. I just wonder if a woman really feels like that or if I just make up things. I’m not sure.
The thing that basically caused problems in my childhood was the feeling that I was a complete outsider, and no one really cared for me. Rather than an individual, I was the kid of my mother. I was afraid of being myself, and of talking about myself and my feelings.
Well, in Nazi-Germany, you were either Arian or you were an outsider, and being yourself and talking more than three words could kill either you or some of your friends.

Kuka, I hope you’ll soon find the time to post your memories here.
And Lily, are you really going to talk about your after-death memories, i.e. what you remember after having drowned in your past life? I just can’t wait to read your next post.

Love
Dieter

Hmmmmm. Why isn't there an icon for love or for hugs?...
 
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