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Why do we have birth defects and birthmarks from Past Lives?

Nightrain

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A boy in India who was born with missing and deformed fingers said he remembered the life of a boy of another village who had put his hand into the blades of a fodderchopping machine which amputated his fingers.

Ma Choe Hnin Htet recalled events in which Ma Lai Lai Way died during heart surgery. Three schoolmates prepared the body for burial (pp.79f). Without telling the family, they marked the back of their friend's neck with lipstick to see if this would show up as a birthmark on a new baby. About 13 months later, Ma Lai Lai Way's sister gave birth to a girl, Ma Choe Hnin Htet, who had a prominent red birthmark on the back of the neck at the site where Ma Lai Lai Way had been marked by her friends.

Jeffrey Keene, author of Someone Else's Yesterday has extremely detailed recollections of being Civil War General, John B. Gordon in a past life. He has birthmarks on his body that correspond with places where General Gordon was wounded in the war. For example, Keene has a star-shaped marking on his forehead that corresponds with a star-shaped scar that Gordon received in the war. Gordon also received a bullet wound to his cheek, the scar from which is mimicked on Jeffrey Keene's cheek.

The night before the birth of Cemil Fahrici in Turkey, Cemil's father dreamed that a distant relative, Cemil Hayik, entered the home. Hayik, a folk hero and bandit, had committed suicide during a shoot-out with the police. He had placed the muzzle of his gun to his chin and had set off the trigger with a toe. When the parents of the newborn boy found a birthmark under his chin, which actually bled and required stitching, they thought he was the reincarnation of Cemil Hayik and named him Cemil. Their impression was reinforced when the boy began to speak and described events from the life of his namesake.

A boy in Turkey who reported memories of being shot with a shotgun. He was born with a scattering of birthmarks on his chest in a patterning consistent with shotgun wounds.

When Naresh was about 2 years old, had a birth defect (a depressed area) near the middle of his chest, slightly on the right side. he would assume the posture of kneeling down and saying Namaz. This corresponded to the fracture of the ribs of Mushir Ali that was reported in the post-mortem examination.

An Indian boy claimed to remember the life of a man named Maha Ram, who was killed with a shotgun fired at close range. This boy had an array of birthmarks in the center of his chest that looked like they could possibly correspond to a shotgun blast. So the story was checked out. Indeed, there was a man named Maha Ram who was killed by a shotgun blast to the chest. An autopsy report recorded the man's chest wounds -- which corresponded directly with the boy's birthmarks.

A man from Thailand claimed that when he was a child he had distinct memories of a past life -- as his own paternal uncle. This man had a large scar-like birthmark on the back of his head. His uncle, it turns out, died from a severe knife wound to that very part of his head.

A story by Carol Bowman, involving the case of William, a young boy who was born with a serious heart condition called Pulmonary Valve Atresia, began to talk about his grandfather's life in ways that shocked his parents. He seemed to know details of his grandfather's life who had been a New York City policeman killed while attempting to prevent a robbery. The killing bullet had entered his back, cutting through his lung and slicing open a major artery—the main pulmonary artery.

These and many other documented reports seem to suggest that what is upper most in our minds at the moment of death can influence our physical condition and identity. But, why? Why would we allow ourselves to be saddled with the corrupted condition of our past lives, when nature has supposedly gifted us with a new body?

One might argue that the handicaps of our lives are chosen either by us or others as some function of our spiritual progress. However, it seems to me, that our frame of mind at the moment of death could be a more powerful influence of our future health, mental condition and even physical appearance.

What is your opinion regarding the purpose, if any, of having birth defects or marks that are directly related to past lives?
 
Interesting, Nightrain.


I don't know why we have birthmarks and actually, I don't have any at all that I am aware of. Although, through the years I have acquired some scars and I am missing a few minor parts and pieces that I apparently can live without (you know how that is).


I am just throwing this out as a speculative thought and it has to do with the idea that "consciousness creates" our reality. I am guessing that the spirit who is awaiting the growth and development of the new human is responsible for the appearance of birthmarks. Perhaps, the spirit is impressing these physical attributes upon the flesh by way of contemplative reflection of its previous lives. I don't see any logical reason to bring past life trauma markings into this life and I just see it as an unintended by-product of the power of conscious thought. Just my opinion of course.


Of course I know that environmental conditions may be to blame for many birth defects and I am not referring to anything like that.
 
Do you think, that as we age and become all wrinkled, bald, blind and toothless, we'll end up coming back the same way?


:laugh:
 
Hi Nightrain, well, we are born toothless with limited sight and many times bald and wrinkled too! :laugh:


Jokes apart, this is one area that I believe was a great great step in the past life and reincarnation research. Dr. Ian's years of research and scientific documentation of cases where children remembered a past life is certainly a ground breaking work that lays down the foundation of all future research in this field. But as we all know, this does not prove reincarnation or past life or a life beyond this world. As such proving any of these is not even the purpose in my opinion. It is more of a process of discovery. Discovery of truth. All such documented cases are truth and then we wonder "WHAT IS IT?" How do we explain these utterly mysterious and still so prevalent facts? Can we find a scientific explanation within the parameters of this physical world around us, or is there a world beyond this? If this world, then how exactly do memories and impressions of a past time, person and place is transported into the mind of a current child/person as if they are his/her own knowledge, feelings, and experiences? If there is another world, what is that? And how can we take a peek into this other world? What happens there and what is beyond that, and then what is all this, for what purpose, and who does it and is there a "who" even involved here? I think what we want to know is very clear cut but the problem is we don't know and we don't know how to know! : angel


And that is why I think Dr. Ian's next very important research topic was this intersection of biology with past life. It still does not prove reincarnation and I again don't believe proving reincarnation is even the purpose. What it brings though is a very important discovery and a field that can be researched more. Results and some new discoveries while conducting the research will hopefully give us another pointer in the right direction. Positive connection of a birth mark with a previous life remembrance is a stunning fact if you think about it. More so if you don't take reincarnation as a possible and ready-made explanation. And, I have observed one more thing here. Though Dr. Ian's cases do not go into deep details of the life, actions, personalities, good deeds, bad deeds of the past and the present persons, still, based on the information provided, there does not seem to be any powerful and obvious purpose of the new life based on the past life. There are no apparent "lessons", "rewards" or "punishments" in new life based on actions and incidents in past. That is one more reason why I keep any and all existing theories based on beliefs, religions, and doctrines out of the way. If we get into trying to prove or disprove one or other theory, we will get deviated into the wrong direction. Aim of the scientific research that Dr. Ian started was and should remain discovery.


After past life stories, matching biological birth-mark was an excellent step. I do not know which direction this research is going into now. Are we still just documenting the past life stories or are we trying to look for new cues? Based on all that we know, what else can we do scientifically?


I wish Dr. Ian was still alive. But that should not stop us.


My small mind thinks that based on the word-of-mouth evidences deeper research in biological birth-mark cases and another scientific and very disciplined research involving past-life regression results with and without people with known and documented past life remembrances should be the two obvious ways to go. If I was Bill Gates, I would have sponsored these! :laugh:


Hope, I did not put you to sleep with my long narration!


A few years back my eldest cousin suddenly passed away because of brain hemorrhage and left us shocked and deeply saddened. He was in coma for two weeks. Later his son got married and had a baby girl some two years back. Her face reminds me of my cousin. Since soon after birth she has been suffering from convulsions when she sleeps at night. With all diagnostic tests no apparant reason has been diagnosed. She has been on medicines as her parents are very concerned. I just wonder what is that and why? Will I ever know??


AKP.
 
Just taking the opposing view for the sake of discussion.


I think that we often look for meaning where there is none. I know that a lot of people don't believe in coincidences but, perhaps, there are many times when that is all it is - coincidence. Nothing more. We human beings will always attempt to find meaning in everything and that is why we have a history of superstitious beliefs.
 
I have to admit that the assertion of birth marks and defects corresponding to past life experiences was a huge stretch for my physical mind to leap. However, after reading Dr. Ian Stevenson's thorough research and viewing countless photographs and videos on the subject, I am "troubled" by the possibility that such claims may, in fact, be possible. The reason that I say I'm troubled by this, is that it suggests a very powerful role for consciousness in handicapping ourselves with conditions that are not of our making. Karma is one thing that we understand to a certain extent, even though we can't always define Karma. We know that Karma is involved with our choices and decisions in life.


However, being born with birth deformities because of an accident or murder brought on by someone else during a past life seems to be utterly unfair and anti-Karmic. Although I find it fun to joke about us leaving this world wrinkled, bald, blind and toothless, and coming back to our next life in the same manner; it isn't a far stretch beyond the research of Carol Bowman and Drs Stevenson and Tucker to acknowledge that someone can come back with a congenital heart valve defect that corresponds to wounds received by one's grandfather who was killed during a holdup. If this is true, how could this be Karma?


Perhaps it is not for us to know all the answers. However, I can tell you that I don't look forward to coming back with the same wounds and physical problems that occupy all of my consciousness at this moment. As I become aware of the part that past lives play upon all our consciousness, the more aware I seem to be that my future image will be similarly affected.
 
Nightrain1 said:
These and many other documented reports seem to suggest that what is upper most in our minds at the moment of death can influence our physical condition and identity. But, why? Why would we allow ourselves to be saddled with the corrupted condition of our past lives, when nature has supposedly gifted us with a new body?
I'm of the understanding that these "hangovers" represent unresolved issues; unfinished business we need to work through for our own development.


Saying that, the kid who returned maimed suggests that there are other forces at play. I do recall reading something somewhere once about certain physical injuries leaving a temporary record on our etheric or spirit bodies. This might explain why he came back with fingers missing in the following lifetime.

One might argue that the handicaps of our lives are chosen either by us or others as some function of our spiritual progress. However, it seems to me, that our frame of mind at the moment of death could be a more powerful influence of our future health, mental condition and even physical appearance.
I'm certain this is part of it too.

stardis said:
I think that we often look for meaning where there is none. I know that a lot of people don't believe in coincidences but, perhaps, there are many times when that is all it is - coincidence. Nothing more. We human beings will always attempt to find meaning in everything and that is why we have a history of superstitious beliefs.
Hmm... I know you're just playing devil's advocate here, but in cases where present life injuries in certain cases correspond almost exactly to those from someone in from the past, and the present individual remembers, it has to be more that just coincidence.
 
coincidence ?


Inphanta ,


I do agree with you ,according to all the things I have been reading and studying about past life ,Coincidence has 0,1% of chance here in those reincarnation cases which are practically proved by Ian's researches.I think we human beings always had ,and will continue having questions in our minds about all things ,until those happen with us .


This is my opinion ...


Thanks #G^H
 
Nightrain1 said:
Perhaps it is not for us to know all the answers. However, I can tell you that I don't look forward to coming back with the same wounds and physical problems that occupy all of my consciousness at this moment. As I become aware of the part that past lives play upon all our consciousness, the more aware I seem to be that my future image will be similarly affected.
I don't think that you will return with any wounds and perhaps not a single birthmark, however innocuous it may seem. I think those souls who bring back a significant mark of past life tragedy, are those who passed through the veil as beings who were unaware of their multidimensional nature and failed to see that the physical life is one that is ephemeral and transitory in their long march from lifetime to lifetime. Perhaps, they are souls who could not let go of the past life and returned unprepared to seek out their true purpose but, instead, cast themselves into the turmoil and chaos from which they had recently departed. It would have been better for them to take a moment between lives to reflect and promise themselves "I'm not going to do that again!"


When we left the confining tenets that we were born into, we set ourselves upon the path to discover what sort of being we truly are, what kinds of traits were forged into our innermost being when we emerged from the essence that gave us our individuality. Knowing that we are purposely living a physical life enables us to reach the end of this lifetime free from the chains that weigh upon the unenlightened.


The hologram is unfolding and we are aware that is unfolding and that awareness gives us the ability to experience it in a way in which we don't lose sight of why we are aware of it. Our next incarnation - if there is a next one - will be orders of magnitude more fulfilling than anything that we have experienced thus far. There will be no marks to carry over with us because we have left the ephemeral behind us, it is not real, it never was.
 
Inphanta said:
Hmm... I know you're just playing devil's advocate here, but in cases where present life injuries in certain cases correspond almost exactly to those from someone in from the past, and the present individual remembers, it has to be more that just coincidence.
Yes, I am - a little bit.


I wonder if we would be comfortable in saying that all birth marks or deformities are the result of past life trauma. I wonder how we could know where to draw the line: this is past life and this is not past life. What about the cases where the person could remember the physical trauma but there were no accompanying birthmarks?


To me, it is a puzzle. And I am not entirely certain of what we mean by coincidences. It is something that I may need to think about.
 
What a wonderful discussion. Now I am also of the belief that many birthmarks etc. could be and are the result of a past life. I am not a big believer in coincidence personally. But as for birth defects, just have to say also how much is it possibly at times a result of the environment in this over polluted world. For instance if a mother has had so much contact with certain chemicals and gave birth, then what birth defects would result. I myself have looked at what Ian Stevenson did say and there is indeed lots of truth there. Personally I do not have any birth marks or birth defects.


Do personally think that what happens and with what we think, etc. at the moment of death does impact the next life bigtime. Do think that the Tibetan Book of the Dead speaks of this also but could be wrong. How much does the spirit world and one's own spirit - soul influence things. It interests me also how much do we even resemble ourselves in our other lives just by our facial resemblance it seems. Think that on this side we might never know the full answer with in this world we see in part and only know in part. How much do we think that this material world is the 'Real World'. But have heard that those that have crossed over consider this material world the illusion and the other side the 'Real World'.
 
...but then how would you explain those children born with the same patterns of birth defect? As an example, someone mentioned a boy with pulmonary valve atresia, who remembered being sliced through the chest... if we were to consider such defects as being related to past life events, then that would mean something similarly traumatic happening in a similar way to every child with pulmonary atresia...


Also, often similar symptoms/anatomical defects may cluster together, which is then commonly known as a 'syndrome', and not all of them with obvious genetic or intrauterine explanations... does that mean if one or two children had past life memories correlating to those symptoms/defects, that the others are the same??


I can see birth marks maybe; weird scars or such, of which I myself have several, as being potentially tied in to the past, but am struggling to visualize birth defects as being so.. at least, not in the entirety of the affected population...
 
Edgar Cayce said many many times "The mind is the builder" Action follows the mind. If the death was a great emotional shock or terribly painful, I could imagine the soul passed with those last thoughts.


Maybe it is also the result of returning to a new body.....too soon. Possibly if the soul waited a longer period before rebirth....those memories would have faded


I certainly believe that the experience of war and dying in a very violent manner could mark you and many of those souls have returned very quickly


I am a very mature young lady and it amazes me that some members are working on a third life within MY one life span. I will be turning 77 on Nov. 1st
 
Florence said:
Edgar Cayce said many many times "The mind is the builder" Action follows the mind.
Hi Florence. Thanks for posting the above as it is something that I am trying to pay great attention to. I am going to write that down and place it where I will see it most every day.


Happy early Birthday! hug2.gif
 
Great reflections Lynnette. Interesting. :D thanks for posting!


Happy early birthday Florence. :cool
 
Florence said:
I am a very mature young lady and it amazes me that some members are working on a third life within MY one life span. I will be turning 77 on Nov. 1st
An early Happy Birthday to you. :angel:


Whether it be karma, misfortune or whatever, I have not been fortunate enough to have your longevity.
 
Thanks soo much everyone. Very sweet!! I'm not done yet Truthseeker....I'm going on into my 80's.


I told kids in grade school that I was going to live to be 84 or 86....Ha Ha I never could make up my mind which one it was. Maybe I will become ill at 84 and die at 86. All of my life I have KNOWN things. I don't remember any details of past lives just manner of death. I don't relive the death...I stop short but I KNOW I died


At this moment I am buying a new home. Been running around looking at house after house. I think you live longer if your busy and have some kind of mission in life. My mission is my youngest son who needs me to stick around for a few more years. His name will also be on the house so when I depart....he has a house of his own. My birth certificate says 77 but my head says 57....that also helps you to live longer.
 
It doesn't sound like you're slowing down any time soon. :thumbsup:


I have known 80-year-olds that had more energy and enthusiasm than most people half their age. I truely believe that age is a state of mind. Your inside world creates your outside world. Obviously eventually we will move on from this life. That doesn't mean we can't live life to the fullest until that day comes.
 
I think that mine are there in order to remind me not to do stupid things.


Showing places where I was killed or wounded lifetimes ago.
 
Mine are three red moles on my right forearm


this is pattern it makes.


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For months now I notice so -cal night sky


there are group of stars that make this same


pattern..


I have a weird feeling this might mean something.
 
I have a small mark on my left leg as my mother does. I've always wondered if it has any significance. Once, I watched a video about a man who was born without legs and arms, could it have been from a past life injury? The mother said it did not show up in her ultrasound pictures, there was no sign. The man lived and is in his twenties, he said when he was born no one celebrated, sent cards, balloons, nothing. Very sad. :(


There's also a goddess/god (???) I read about that makes you forget about your past life when coming into the next one. I think it might have been a Hindu God? Does anyone know the name?
 
HeatherMarie said:
There's also a goddess/god (???) I read about that makes you forget about your past life when coming into the next one. I think it might have been a Hindu God? Does anyone know the name?
There is another story about crossing the "River of Forgetfulness".
 
Lethe was a Greek spirit, or daemon, of forgetfulness, as well as the name of a river. The river takes it's name from her. :)
 
True - Lethe was one of the five rivers of Hades,the other four being Styx (the river of hate), Akheron (the river of sorrow), Kokytos (the river of lamentation) and Phlegethon (the river of fire). The Lethe flowed around the cave of Hypnos and through the Underworld, where all those who drank from it experienced complete forgetfulness. Lethe was also the name of the Greek spirit of forgetfulness and oblivion, with whom the river was often identified.


The shades of the dead were required to drink the waters of the Lethe in order to forget their earthly life. In the Aeneid, Virgil writes that it is only when the dead have had their memories erased by the Lethe that they may be reincarnated. ( I always found that last part to be very interesting)
 
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