The future

[dking777]

Do you think that is why so many children are now enlightened and so many can now communicate with those who have passed on, or is it just that we are all more aware of each other because of the internet?

It has always been my impression that children are more in tune spiritually than adults. There were times when I went through my childhood and I could talk openly with my young peers about many mystical subjects happening to me. (I shared a story on the board once how my classmates in 6th grade heard of an experience and started sharing their own stories of reincarnation with me.) I got the impression it was the same in their house as it was mine. Society looked down upon these mystical stories and there was a sense of oppression or suppression going on. I feel there are many pioneers (researchers) knocking down barriers when it comes to various mystical subjects. I feel the media has help open the doors to many closed minds - and the attitude in society is changing to make the 'testimony of children' more acceptable.


I would venture to guess there is the same percentage of children having 'mystical' insights today as there was in the 60's, 50's' and 40's - and the difference is - it isn't being suppressed as much.


And yes, I think the Internet is making a huge difference in shaping the opinions of others. When in history has a person been able to go into their bedroom, lock the door and open a window that allows them access to a whole community of 'believers' that share the same feelings, thoughts, ideas and experiences with a wide range people all across the globe. It truly is a global community unlike anything that has every been experienced in history before.


So, I don't think more children are talking about it - as much as I believe more people are listening to what is being said.


Sincerely,


DKing

 

[dking777]

In something else that I had heard, that at sometime in the future ... human progress will not be measured anymore in material terms but in spiritual terms.

After my NDE as an adult, I tried to speak on my experience with the other side for period of time and this was the message I tried to focus on and promote with my close friends. What I thought people were focusing on as 'important' here as humans was totally irrelevant on the other side when everything was going to be 'measured' by a spiritual yardstick.


Sincerely,


DKing

 

[tanguerra]

... the future is never written in stone! There are choices and one's choice has consequences. The future is like the fingers on one's hand with many possible futures. There are some more prominent, like the big fingers, and becoming more of a probable future by the way one is going in the present and the likely outcome. And there are less likely or less probable futures being like the small fingers. Just one person and one's own personal choice can have an impact. And just one small choice or decision in one's life can have an impact in the future of our lives. At any given moment each of us have a number of possible futures. And that one's future or our overall given future is never written in stone in my opinion. There are many possible futures with some being more probable and some less probable. So it is important for each of us to choose wisely! This is just my opinion and outlook on things which am sharing.
Hope this make sense. Again just my opinion. Wishing Everyone the Best!

You took the words out of my mouth kmatjhwy. This is well said. Yes, there are a lot of indicators that we are heading towards some kind of catastrophe, but this is not the first time and it probably won't be the last. During WWII people were very concerned about the future and at other points in human history as well.


We may not be able to change 'the future' if we look at it like a 'mountain' that we are moving inexorably towards, but we can decide which road we want to take as we head in that direction. We might go over it, around it, through it or smack into it. It's up to us, and we can decide if we want to lead others to come with us.


My view is that there are always choices as to which path we will decide to take and our actions, thoughts and deeds will influence our future.

 

[tanguerra]

Then I met a girl when I was 20, we feel deeply in love and I started getting 'visions' of newspaper headlines announcing her 'murder.' I did everything in my power to stop that event from coming to pass and no matter what I did it just played right into the destiny set for her. That is when I decided this 'seeing the future' business was no business I want to be involved in. It was not something I felt I controlled at that time in my life. I asked God NOT to allow that to happen again in my life if it could be avoided. It happened again in 1988 and the person I fell in love with only had a short time to live and I knew this. This time around, I never burdened them with the prophetic insight I walked with. I did ask them the same question I asked my Grandmother. (If someone knew would you want to know or have it come as a surprise?) I lost count of the 'friends' or 'loved ones' I had prior knowledge of their passing. (Not counting family) A rough guess is 8. They were all young. And yes, each and every time I was I had to wrestle with the thought could I have done something to have prevented their demise.

That must be very difficult to deal with Dking. A lot of people probably think it would be 'cool' to be able to see the future, but they don't realise the implications. In many cases ignorance is bliss, eh? You are absolutely right to check with others if they want to know about their own future. That's information that is probably best kept to yourself unless asked, although I know how hard that must have been for a little boy to deal with.


However, again, this begs the question about the future being 'set' or not. In your case, you certainly seem to be able to see what's coming and it doesn't seem that there is anything you could have done to avoid it.

 

[dking777]

However, again, this begs the question about the future being 'set' or not. In your case, you certainly seem to be able to see what's coming and it doesn't seem that there is anything you could have done to avoid it.

The word 'see' isn't a good word to describe what it was like the majority of the time. In the two examples I used here, there was a 'visionary' process - which was unusual for me. In the past, it was a 'silent voice' that would come to me. One example of that would be in 8th grade science class. A group of boys surrounded me and were asking questions about a confirmation I had with the teacher. She was trying to teach about 'outer space' and 'planets.' My question for her was 'have you been there? Then how do you know what your talking about?" Of course, I was making a sly reference to my 'near-death experiences' and traveling the 'cosmos' on my way home to the light. At that age, I had to have 'permission' to speak directly about my NDE's. I didn't know how to speak in religious words. I would always say, "I have to ask my Real Mom before I can talk about this." Now that I am older and have studied ancient (following the advice of the spirit of my Real Mom's advise) I could have said "I have to ask permission from the Holy (or Divine) Spirit first." I was always told to follow after my own mind of understanding and not give myself over to a worldly expression to suit the minds of others. So I never used 'religious words' because it seemed to alienate and make 'strangers' of spirits I had a very intimate and close personal relationship with.


I knew that my 'classmates' where 'deaf' to her voice and she used me as a 'mouthpiece.' It is a long story that came to a conclusion in 1998 at the 20 year HS Reunion. For the most part when 'future insight' came to me - it was through the voice of the 'Divine Spirit' I knew had a hand in the creation of my inner and hidden soul. (The part of me that left the body during the NDE's.)


Having the 'news images' flash in front of me in 1980 and 1981 was something totally new and not something I was used to.


From 1998 to 2010 - I started recalling well over 10,000 instances where I was called upon to give voice to 'predictions' of the future on behalf of spirit. I am working on a pdf writing about the events leading up to 1998 and how a promise to hold my Grandmothers hand when she passed away - opened up the door to the hidden memories and predictions and how every single one of them had come true - while I was totally blind to the memories of them being stored away like hidden time capsules in my unconscious mind. When they opened up and revealed themselves to me - it knocked my socks off and shocked me. The story I am writing is about the time in 1998 when I woke up to a memory when I was a child in 1968 where I had an 'out of body' experience - left the year 1968 and was standing in room in 1998 behind myself typing on a computer. In 1968, it didn't bother me. I just repeated what I had seen to my Grandparents about what I had seen as a 'ghost' outside my body. In 1998 - it totally freaked me out sitting in a room knowing that my ghost from childhood was supposed to show up and peek over my shoulder at one point.


When I finish writing the 'long story' associated with 'the future, past and present' being one in spirit and what happened to me when I woke up in 1998 - I will post a link here for those interested in reading about it.


Sincerely,


DKing

 

[tanguerra]

...The word 'see' isn't a good word to describe what it was like the majority of the time. In the two examples I used here, there was a 'visionary' process - which was unusual for me. In the past, it was a 'silent voice' that would come to me...

So it is a combination of 'seeing', 'knowing' and 'hearing' depending on the situation Dking? Yes, I'm sure lots of people would be interested to read about your experiences.


Personally with me it's 'knowing'. I get flashes, just like past life flashes, full of emotions, details, thoughts and visuals, just like a regular 'present life' memory, but I know it's from this future life.

 

[dking777]

I thought of an interesting side-note that sort ties in 'reincarnation' to this theme. It had to do with the $1 bet I made with my three friends in 1981. I spent hours in a Q and A session and during that time - I gave 'voice' to a decade of predictions from 2000 to 2010. The whole topic started out about a possible war since we were of 'draft age' in 1981. After it was over with, I asked them to rate their belief of the predictions on a scale from one to ten. When they all expressed their disbelief in the predictions - I asked them if they were willing to place a bet on it - and what where they willing to bet against the 'truth' coming to pass as I had stated it would.


One of my friends said that he was willing to bet everything he owned in the year 2010. I told him,


"I won't be coming to you for the bet in 2010. I will be contacting you in 2007. So lets place the bet on the war prediction since that is going to come to pass by 2007, and I think a war prediction is going to stand out in your mind. Your going have accumulated a nice little nest egg for yourself by that time and if I could to take it all away from you and lay claim to the debt you owe me - it is going to make us enemies to one another. Let's make a friendly that will not turn us against one another in the future."


He felt this was a sign that I wasn't confident in the predictions because I wasn't willing to part with my 'estate' in 2007 because they felt it would be me who owed them a $1


I told them,


"I am not after the $1 I am after how your going to pay me that dollar. Your not going to pay me that $1 in this life time. You going to allow that debt to carry over into the next life. Know that when I call you in 2007 and remind you that you owe me a $1 - that means that more than half of my predictions have came true. Here is the prediction I want to come back to your mind after 2007. You and I are going to cross paths again in your future life. When my new mind and body sees you for the first time in our next incarnation together, I am going to walk up to you and say, "I have been looking for you for many years now. You got that dollar you owe me?" When I say that to you in your next life - you are going to remember everything about your past life and the times we shared together. We are going to pick up exactly where we left off - .... the only difference the next time being - you want just believe in reincarnation. You will know the truth of it because you are going to have a memory of this current life return to you. I am going to hunt down each and every one of you in the next life - and then your going to know that the words that come out of my mouth are words of truth. You have the rest of your life to prepare yourself for your next incarnation knowing you are going to have a friend returning to you."


When I contacted two of them in 2007, I was fishing to see if they could recall the 'stipulation' I had made about the payment of the dollar. Neither of them said anything and I just kept it to myself. One of them refuse to talk to me on the telephone. I asked one of the friends to get him to explain himself. A few weeks later I called him to get the answer and my friend said,


"All he said to tell you was, he will see you in the next life. He said your supposed to know what that means."


To me and my mind in 1981, it wasn't a matter of if as much as it was a matter of when. I had seen it in a vision and the voice of spirit confirmed that in the next incarnation - we would all be crossing paths again. I just wanted us to have something to talk about when that time came in a future life.


Sincerely,


DKing

 

[dking777]

Personally with me it's 'knowing'. I get flashes, just like past life flashes, full of emotions, details, thoughts and visuals, just like a regular 'present life' memory, but I know it's from this future life.

As far as insights into a 'future life' - that is something I currently don't have access to - and if I was given a choice and saw it coming, I would turn and run like the wind to get away from it. I have many memories from the past where 'access' was there. One of the last times I recall having that sort of occurance was in 1983. That incident is what 'turned me off' and scared me away from it as an adult. I had a different attitude as a child. My attitude as an adult was 'I will cross that bridge when I get to it.' That didn't stop it from happening again in 1989. That was when I met the 'soul mate' and looked back into the history of our souls in a mystical moment. I had witnesses at the scene and I spoke about it in rich vivid detail afterwards - but - I avoided giving any 'verbal' reference to the insights of the 'future lives' this soul and I had ahead of us. I just felt lucky to have had open minds present that allowed me to express the 'vision' of the past lives. I knew talking about the 'future' lives would be pushing the envelope and probably push my companions over the edge. As an adult - it has always been very hard to comprehend the fact that my soul has already jumped ahead of my current life and is living a life somewhere in the future - while I haven't even finished this life. (It makes me think I have been abandoned and gives me abandonment issues.) :laugh:


Sincerely,


DKing

 

[dking777]

So it is a combination of 'seeing', 'knowing' and 'hearing' depending on the situation Dking?

When it comes to 'insights' that came to me as a child about the future (before adulthood) - it was various methods. Once again, it is not something I currently participate in. Instead it is me looking back in hindsight and recalling how it was done in the past. In 1981, when I spoke freely with the three friends - it was a rare occasion because I was granted 'spiritual permission' to speak freely about 'future events.' Prior to this - it was a 'well guarded secret' and I had two appointed spirits who walked with me at all times. This subject came up in 1981 because I told my friends, "All they allowed me to give you guys was garbage. There are other things about the future I am not allowed to talk about. That is what I was hoping for." When they asked why I referred to it as garbage - I told them, "It was only newspaper headlines. What happens to newspapers once you read them. You toss them in the trash." I thought of it as tabliod stuff and not serious 'soul searching' matters of truth and enlightenment. I couldn't give them any thing they wouldn't have access to directly in the future. When my friends asked who 'they' were - I went into a lengthy session of how 'future insights' had worked for me as far back as I could remember. (Dating back to the age of 6.) When it came to 'future insights' I worked with three primary spirits. A High Spirit, A Higher Spirit and the Highest Spirit. I had my own monikers for them because I had the understanding they didn't have 'worldly names.' I avoided any sort of 'religious' reference to keep my understanding from getting lost in 'fundamentalism.' I came up with three new monikers while speaking to my friends in 1981. Papa Bear, Mama Bear and Baby Bear. If you have read testimony of other NDE accounts, generally there is a reference to the 'greeter' or the 'divine being' who meets a person on the other side. Some may call it the 'higher soul' or 'higher self.' (My preference as well.) The other two were the "Mother of my Soul" and the 'Father of my Soul." When I had the session in 1981, it was through the hand of "Baby Bear Spirit" and was very new to me. I was used to working with either "Papa Bear" or "Mama Bear." They had a whole different style, character and presentation.


If we went back in time and collected all the 'times' that window opened up and I was granted permission to speak about future events pertaining to this lifetime, and people started asking questions about the future - you would have heard me saying, "I am not allowed to speak about that," more than anything else. I was given the understanding to know - knowledge of the future belonged in the hands of spirit and for that I was closely monitored when it came to 'speaking' about it directly with others. I don't know how it works for others, but that is how it worked for me.


At my current stage in life - if a 'spirit' manifested itself to me and gave me warning that window to the future was about to open up and I was about to receive revelations concerning future events, my reply would be "No, thank you. Been there, done that - don't want to go through that again." Unless of course, I was guaranteed the winning numbers for the next big jackpot lottery drawing. :laugh: Point being, I was never really in charge of that sort of information. I look back on it now for what I feel it was for me......a big burden.


But depending on the 'spirit' in charge - would depend on how it was presented, and the presentation would switch. I think the 'switch' up was to keep my mind curious and get me to willingly peer into that window when it opened. In 1981, I refereed to future insights as "useless' information. What was the use in knowing it - if - you couldn't do a thing to change it.


Sincerely,


DKing

 

[tanguerra]

...I'll preface this by saying this is only my opinion, but I've long believed that chronological time is an artifact of human perception. Some theoretical physicists and philosophers have posited the same. If that's so, then I don't think future lives are set in stone any more than my current life is. We could all be living at the same "time", influencing one another by our choices. Personally, I choose to believe this because it's both liberating and gives me a sense of responsibility to live well now, not just for myself, but for all my other selves too. Maybe we can all lift each other up if we each try our best. It gives me a hopeful feeling to think that, even if it's mistaken or illusory. Again, could be 100% incorrect, but it helps get me through....

I was thinking about what Crescent wrote the other day. This is the kind of thing that can turn your brain inside out but I wonder if the present life is capable of influencing the future and past lives as well?


I've written elsewhere about having 'conversations' with myself across different lives (an example of which is near the top of this thread). Now, either I'm just crazy (always a possibility ) or this is a real experience, not my imagination, and it is possible to influence not just the future, but the past and the present as well?


If all 'times' are in fact occurring at the same 'time', but events and therefore outcomes, are also in a 'fluid' state it's hard to imagine, but possible I guess. I don't imagine it's possible to effect big changes, but like the butterfly example given above, I suppose even small changes would lead to wildly diverging futures?

 

[Jenla]

Just today I had a "dream" about what I believe will be my future life.


I saw the year 2119, it was clear. I was a young boy (maybe 14) and I was with my mother she was a teacher I think, and we were living in California.


It was weird but very real.

 

[tanguerra]

...But depending on the 'spirit' in charge - would depend on how it was presented, and the presentation would switch. I think the 'switch' up was to keep my mind curious and get me to willingly peer into that window when it opened. In 1981, I referred to future insights as "useless' information. What was the use in knowing it - if - you couldn't do a thing to change it.

So Dking, do you mean that you were shown different versions of the future?

 

[Ceridwen]

There must be different versions of the future that are possible. If that can happen for one person, then presumably it can happen for the human race as a whole.


In my own life - the major choices I have made would have led to me respectively having married into an Arabic country, living in a Scandinavian country (probably married?), living in a major English city and now a recent one has meant I moved to Wales. Those are just the major choices. If I had made the first of those, would that have been a change that would have visibly affected the society I lived in (ie as I protested against restrictions on women) or no?


Stands to reason the Human Race has several possible future routes it could go down then and I would be interested to know, say, the two Most Likely Routes for the next 100 years and how that route would have been the one taken and what the outcome would be for Society at the end of that particular route having been chosen.

 

[dking777]

However, again, this begs the question about the future being 'set' or not. In your case, you certainly seem to be able to see what's coming and it doesn't seem that there is anything you could have done to avoid it.

I was trying to write the story of what happened to me in 1998 when my conscious mind was turned upside down when the past revelations came to light again. It is a massive story and I ran across something I told someone in the early 80's when this subject came up. I told them,


"Human choices change the future as they know it. Human choices does not change the future as God knows it."


I feel that sums it up in a very short version.


Sincerely,


DKing

 

[dking777]

So Dking, do you mean that you were shown different versions of the future?

No. The 'switch' was a reference to the presentation. As in 1981, it was 'visions of news casts and newspaper headlines. It was a mixture of 'audio' and 'video' along with a narration by the spirit. I had never had a presentation like that before. It the past it was usually just a voice 'telling' me what to say. Watching the dang 'TV' version of the future was 'too much' work and was hard on my mind.


But no, in all the times this happened to me from 1966 to 1988, there was NEVER alternative 'views' shown to me. Besides, all the visions have come to pass exactly as it was shown - and all of them had a 'central theme' to them.


Besides, if you looked at it as a mathematical equation - and tried to multiply 7 billion people by the number of choices they make on a daily basis and multiply that by the number of days in a year - you would come up with a number that wrapped around the universe. The Butterfly effect. Only one different choice in those trilions upon trillons of chioces in the life of the whole of humanity between 1966 and 1988 would have changed everything - in my opinion.


Sincerely,


DKing

 

[Mere Dreamer]

Besides, if you looked at it as a mathematical equation - and tried to multiply 7 billion people by the number of choices they make on a daily basis and multiply that by the number of days in a year - you would come up with a number that wrapped around the universe. The Butterfly effect. Only one different choice in those trilions upon trillons of chioces in the life of the whole of humanity between 1966 and 1988 would have changed everything - in my opinion.

I think "outside of time" plays into this, in the sense that everything is in a state of not-yet-done-already-complete from that perspective. And if I think about it, if I reach outside time at any point ... then from this perspective I'm always there...?


Another illustration I've come up with is more ... uh ... tangible. I have "this body" ... even though I know every cell inside it is going to exchange for new, and I'm going to get random bumps and bruises, etc. At the end of my life, it will still look like me with this bone structure, etc. So if I think of my body as a span of time, all sorts of events happen inside. My cells have all sorts of "choices and opportunities" ... but they are also restricted by the template of my DNA so I can't accidentally become someone else.


That's about as far as I've gotten with this concept, but somehow it helps me see a balance of choice and restriction ... the restriction being the "DNA" of my existence that is already outside time and seeing everything as in-process-already-done. So I am making my own choices freely ... but I'm also limiting my choices by designing my life in concert from the outside.

 

[kmatjhwy]

DKing, now I like how you said that above where you said .... "Human choices change the future as they know it. Human choices does not change the future as God knows it."


Yes in Life in this material plane, how much do we only see and know in part. Wishing Everyone the Best!

 

[dking777]

I was working on a piece of writing titled "The Butterfly Effect" which was about events that took place in 1998. It turns out it is a massive storyline. Too many things came together and I am up to 25 pages already. The expression "Human choices change the future as they know it. Human choices does not change the future as God knows it" was something a 'spirit' said to me in 1981 to tell one of my friends when this topic came up in our conversation. I feel that summed up the 25 pages.


Instead, I thought of three incidents that tie into this theme and wrote them down in 8 pages. I titled it "Backwards to the Future."


The stories are about three different incidents of having 'out of body' experiences where my spirit was 'transported' to a point in the future.


Sincerely,


DKing

 

[dking777]

I am reminded of another story and incident in my life that deals with this theme. At the age of 13, I had given 'voice' to many predictions pertaining to the future on behalf' of the "Divine Spirits." There was no doubt in my mind that "God" knew the future. I was involved in a situation and struggling to make the 'right choice.' I thought the way to solve a problem was to make a person 'hate' me - so they would go away and leave me in peace. I said something to this person that was 'harsh' and wounded this person deeply. Little did I know that I solved one problem by creating an even bigger problem.


The spirit of the one I called the "Mother of my Soul" showed up in a vision in the immediate aftermath to give me a 'scolding' for choosing 'evil' over 'good.' Not only did it hurt the other person involved, I was told that it had injured and hurt the 'Father of my Soul' as well, and even thought I didn't know it at the time - I had cause a hurt and pain to come upon me in the 'future.'


I told this spirit, "Stop right there. The Father knows the future, YOU know the future. Why didn't either of you come and STOP me before I made this mistake -- rather than to show up after the fact - and tell me I did something wrong."


If ancient philosophers and theologians have debated the argument of 'free will choice' and 'predestination' in past, here I was as a young teenager having the same argument and debate, not with just anyone - but the the Spirit who had a hand in the creation of all souls past, present and future. I was told, "The Father will not interfere with the choice a human mind has the freedom to make for one self while in the world of man."


I was told I had to walk from that day forward in 'blindness' as all humanity did - not knowing the future outcome of the dilemma I had created by 'choice'. Therefore the outcome was not 'written in stone' in my mind. I was told that this one simple mistake had the potential to destroy everything I had worked for in the past, and everything I was working for toward the future - for the sake of 'spirit' and 'truth.' I always felt 'spirit' spoke to me in riddles and this riddle gave me a headache. I as mad as a hornet that day because I couldn't get a clear definition of it one way or the other. (It was very rare for me to have audience with this particular spirit while in human form and I was trying to get to the bottom of it as fast as I could while I had the chance.) Most of the memories I had of this particular spirit was in my NDE's and without the dread of this 'human condition' I was walking with.


My argument was - "if I was destined to make that mistake, then what did I have to feel guilty about? If it is meant to be, then it is meant to be." I was given a big scolding for that assumption. I had made an error 'in time' and I had to accept responsibility for that error - and not blame it on destiny, fate or God-forbid - God. There was a difference between 'here' (the world we live in) and 'there' (the world to come) is night and day. Here is it one thing, and there - it is another. It was a contradiction when I was 13 and still today, I see it as a contradiction. It is very hard to find a balance and understanding between 'free will' and 'fate.'


Sincerely,


DKing

 

[tanguerra]

...My argument was - "if I was destined to make that mistake, then what did I have to feel guilty about? If it is meant to be, then it is meant to be." I was given a big scolding for that assumption. I had made an error 'in time' and I had to accept responsibility for that error - and not blame it on destiny, fate or God-forbid - God. There was a difference between 'here' (the world we live in) and 'there' (the world to come) is night and day. Here is it one thing, and there - it is another. It was a contradiction when I was 13 and still today, I see it as a contradiction. It is very hard to find a balance and understanding between 'free will' and 'fate.'
Sincerely,


DKing

It's a conundrum alright DKing.


I was thinking about it this morning actually. Perhaps the confusion arises with our conception of time? We perceive time as moving ever forwards, like a train on a track. But perhaps time is more like the air around us, or the ocean that a fish swims through? We are moving through the 'air' or 'water' and it is also swirling around us in different ways, but the sensation is of time moving while we stand still.

 

[dking777]

I was thinking about it this morning actually. Perhaps the confusion arises with our conception of time? We perceive time as moving ever forwards, like a train on a track. But perhaps time is more like the air around us, or the ocean that a fish swims through? We are moving through the 'air' or 'water' and it is also swirling around us in different ways, but the sensation is of time moving while we stand still.

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There was a time when I was 15 and dealing with the nornmal teen agnst - and at the same time, I was dealing with all the 'mystical concepts' from my NDE's. I was still having NDE's at the age of 15 and instead of it getting easier as I got older....it was getting harder to build a bridge of understanding between the 'mortal realm' and the 'immortal realm.' I felt like a 'yo-yo' constantly bouncing from from one reality to another - and back again.


A big part of the problem I was dealing with at that time was 'fundamental attitudes' about religion. They had their version of 'paradise' or 'heaven' - and I was at a loss to comprehend what they were talking about - especially when it came to their version of 'damnation' - and 'eternal punishment.' The major theme at age 15 - was reincarnation - this idea (according to fundies) went against what they thought they knew of the 'afterlife.' For me, I felt there as a big importance to understanding that you had a 'soul's inheritance' and you were going to pass on that 'inheritance' to a mind and body in a future generation. I couldn't talk about this with some without them trying it put the idea of ending up like a 'roasted marshmallow' on the otherside--forever in a land of time without end.


When a spirit said 'in time' --I knew that applied to 'mortality' or the 'mortal path.' I always associated 'time' with 'gravity.' They only existed here in the 'mortal world.' I was in a meditative 'state' trying to get the answer to a riddle - and I was told to look up the definition of 'eternal.' The dictionary I used back then said 'without time.' To me, that was like EUREKA! The idea I had been tracking down was what I felt was a 'bogus' idea that your punished 'forever in a realm of 'time without end.' Time as we know it - (however we think we know it) doesn't exist on the other side in the 'immortal realm.' When people asked me what I thought time was compared to what I saw it as on the other side, I told them ...


"A mirage. When your caught up in it - it is real. When you stand outside of it from a distance - you realize it is unreal. Sort of like a West Texas dust storm. When your in the middle of it - it effects you. When your at a distance looking at it, your glad your not caught up in and even though there is a reality to those caught up inside of it - your not experiencing that reality standing outside of it. That is how it is when I go home. Time is like a Texas twister blowing up the dust - keeping everyone blind and bound to it's force and power until it 'lets' you go. Nothing you can do but ride it out until it lets you go."


The problem is - you have to be 'outside of it' to see it as 'unreal' - otherwise while your caught up in it - it is very, very real as is the 'blindness' it brings. That is how I looked at 'time' during the turbulent angst years. I felt the 'sole purpose' of time was to keep us in bondage to 'spiritual blindness.'


Sincerely,


DKing

 

[tanguerra]

I like that whirlwind metaphor Dking. That makes sense. It's hard to get your head around things like this without using metaphors.

Time is like a Texas twister blowing up the dust - keeping everyone blind and bound to it's force and power until it 'lets' you go. Nothing you can do but ride it out until it lets you go."

 

[tanguerra]

I got another snippet last night. I felt restless and was having trouble falling asleep so I thought, hey, why not do a past life meditation as that usually works.

I've been having funny little de ja vu feelings about this future life, or perhaps 'premonitions' is a better word for it, lately. So I thought I may as well work on that one.

I focussed on the bit that I have, which is riding in the back seat of a car with my friend X on the way to an important event where I was going to give a speech. I concentrated on getting it clear, hearing the hissing of the tyres on the wet road, the lights of the city buildings reflecting on shiny surfaces, the motorcade surrounding our car (four motorbikes - two front and two back) as we were being whisked to our event.


X and I were having a bit of a (fairly friendly) 'spat'. I don't know about what exactly. I think we were disagreeing about the approach I was going to take in the speech. Then I just sort of sighed and looked out the window, before turning back to look at him, thinking we shouldn't fight at a time like this. He smiled very sweetly and told me all would be well and I should just have faith in myself (the tiny fragment I recalled above that gave me the de ja vu).

I saw myself standing at the podium in a large concert hall, with thousands of people in the audience. I get the feeling this was the Sydney Opera House. The wall behind me was huge and curved and bathed in blue light. I had the idea that Sydney had become an important seat of power in those times. Climate change, dramas of one kind or another, had made Australia something of a safe haven because of its isolation.

I was wearing some kind of white pants suit [with a long jacket just above the knee and fairly flaired wideleg pants - but I know the idea of the outfit, 'the fashion' of the time was modesty and simplicity a 'generic' outfit at the time] I had long brown hair, worn in a fairly simple 'up do'.

X was standing in the wings, giving me the 'thumbs up'. He was wearing a shiny blue nehru jacket with shiny [brass?] buttons something like this.

X loves to dress up and I'm sure this would be the latest style, although unlikely to be actual silk. Knowing him it would be something more hi-tech made out of recycled bottle tops or something... anyway. I got the feeling maybe it was no accident we were wearing blue and white and these are the UN colours?


There was a teleprompter in front of me, but no screen. Somehow the words and images (there were both) were projected into the air, but only those behind me could see, not the audience, giving the illusion that I could look people in the eye while I spoke, rather than at a prompter. Behind me was a massive slideshow going on. I saw a control panel on the rostrum that I could use to control it as I spoke.


I felt very calm and relaxed about speaking in front of lots of people. I got the feeling I had done this many times before. I started off with a few amusing words of some sort to put myself and everyone else at ease ... then began the speech. I really, really wanted to find out what I was saying, but that wouldn't come to me. I got the idea that I was starting out by laying out some kind of grim situation going on at the time and the options in front of us, but that was as far as I could get.

 

[famgrin]

My future life flashes:


I'll be a little tasty Asian


which once in childhood


will run on the stairs


of green railing down.


I will hurry


behind my older friend


in a apartment complex in Hong Kong


Down many people will


There are even computers


I don't know what there looking for


It remained hidden for me ...


And then once


when I'll be an adult


I will watch with wonder


from my modern apartment


on nocturnal Hong Kong!

 

[BethC]

Hi Famgrin.


Hong Kong at night from a high-rise apartment, or any high place is absolutely fantastic. I didn't grow up there, (maybe in a past life), but I have visited several times. I wonder what the differences will be in the future...Wonder how far in the future your 'memory' is.


Can you clarify 'little tasty Asian?' I am not making fun of you, but it made me giggle. I know it's a language thing. Do you mean 'cute'? Love your description.

 

[famgrin]

Hi Beth. I look forward already ahead from your speaking on Hong Kong at night. I guess that any basic differences will not in future. It seemed that until such distant future it isn't. Maybe couple of years (max. decades).


Little tasty Asian should be as you correctly say 'cute' Asian boy. Yeah I don't know perfect English and I do confess from time to time helps me Uncle Google :laugh: but I am glad that you like and make them laugh my version although I had not it in intention LOL .


Well what may perhaps manage to me sometimes yet similar language joke

 

[tanguerra]

I had a tiny future flash the other night. I was having some kind of 'reverie', 'day dreaming', not really doing anything much. I don't know, but this popped into my head.

My present companion, NB, is someone I have not known 'before', but I saw him in this future life. NB is a Sikh in this life, and used to wear a turban in his youth, but not now except for special occasions. In the future flash he was wearing a dark suit and a very large, slightly exaggerated, bright red turban. I got the idea it was/will be definitely a fashion statement to make a big thing about your cultural identity. It doesn't surprise me as NB is very proud of being a Sikh.

I was sitting on some brown stone steps, at a university, [probably Sydney University] with some friends, during a lunch break or something. I had the impression we were all students. It was a bright sunny day. He came towards me and made some kind of a pass at me. I can't work out what it was exactly. It was some kind of a joke he was playing on me, something about him pretending I had his 'pen' - although it's not a pen, it's some futuristic device of some sort. Something all students have, that maybe all look the same?

He was demanding I return this thing to him, even though I was saying I didn't know what he meant. He is fond of jokes and tricks now, so this is all in keeping. I get the feeling this was just an excuse to talk to me and make an impression, which, obviously it did / will.

He looked much like today, except much younger, 20 or so, and taller and thinner. His beard was dark black, where today it is going pretty grey. The mischievous twinkle in his eye was exactly the same as today. He's a good looking chap and certainly looked very handsome and impressive in this vision ... as well as possibly a trifle 'familiar'. I got that feeling this was the first time we met that life. It was just a very brief flash.

I wonder if we 'got together' in the future? Maybe married? Perhaps. Although I know X in the future, and it seems we will be working together, I certainly don't get the feeling we're a couple at all.

 

[tanguerra]

I started thinking about this again because I had a bit of a future flash a few days ago. It's summer over here and it looks like there's going to be another drought. All the (now very familiar) signs are there. We had a super hot day (43oC= 110oF) on the weekend. This has now become an annual event to have at least a few days of this kind of temperature. Bushfires were breaking out everywhere, there were wild winds - it felt a bit apocalyptic, for sure. I had moved my bonsai trees inside and put delicate plants under cover the night before so that they would survive the day. I hid indoors all day.


I was watering my poor, parched garden in the evening, in the aftermath of all this, and had a bit of a flash. I thought to myself 'Wow, this is such a lavish way to use water'. It was as though I was looking back from the future, remembering how we garden 'now', outdoors, spraying water about, fairly freely, splashing some on the ground, etc (although I am actually always pretty careful with water).


I had a flash of living indoors most of the year, except when the weather was ok to be outside (rather than the other way around as it is now). It is just too hot most of the year to have a garden outdoors at all. I get the feeling vegetables and things are grown in enclosed 'hot houses' (which should probably be called 'cool houses'). Flowers and ornamental plants are an extreme luxury that is frowned upon as wasteful, rather than just a normal part of a home garden.


Perhaps it was all just my imagination, stirred up by the extreme weather, but it certainly felt pretty real. I have had other musings like this related to the past. It happens most often when I'm not really thinking about anything in particular. Or maybe that's just when I notice thoughts like this, when my mind is not too 'busy' with other thoughts. For instance, one time I was just 'vagued out' making breakfast and I turned on the gas stove to boil the kettle. It struck me how very much easier this is now than having to fetch wood for the stove in the morning and get all dirty lighting a fire, and wait half an hour until it gets hot enough to boil a kettle... I had a life where I was a household servant in Victorian times, so I certainly knew all about having to do that every morning and what a drudge it was!


Anyway, this 'forward flash' felt a bit like that, if that makes sense.

 

[argonne1918]

It's summer over here and it looks like there's going to be another drought. All the (now very familiar) signs are there. We had a super hot day (43oC= 110oF) on the weekend. This has now become an annual event to have at least a few days of this kind of temperature.
I was watering my poor, parched garden in the evening, in the aftermath of all this, and had a bit of a flash. I thought to myself 'Wow, this is such a lavish way to use water'. It was as though I was looking back from the future, remembering how we garden 'now', outdoors, spraying water about, fairly freely, splashing some on the ground, etc (although I am actually always pretty careful with water).


It is just too hot most of the year to have a garden outdoors at all. I get the feeling vegetables and things are grown in enclosed 'hot houses' (which should probably be called 'cool houses'). Flowers and ornamental plants are an extreme luxury that is frowned upon as wasteful, rather than just a normal part of a home garden.


For instance, one time I was just 'vagued out' making breakfast and I turned on the gas stove to boil the kettle. It struck me how very much easier this is now than having to fetch wood for the stove in the morning and get all dirty lighting a fire, and wait half an hour until it gets hot enough to boil a kettle...

I live in central Calif. in the interior away from the coast. In the last 6 or 7 years we have had summer temperatures as high as 113 F degrees. My dad told me that when he was a boy in the 1930s it was that hot here. I thought he was exaggerating, but now I believe him. Many people here are now using drip irrigation for plants. Even the commercial fruit and nut tree orchards are putting in drip irrigation. More cities, including mine, are planning on using recycled and treated waste water from the sewer plants to water parks, cemeteries, golf courses, highway and street median strips, etc. First they have to install networks of pipes, etc. For many years my city has been giving free treated waste water to farmers who live close to the sewer plant. They are not allowed to use it for human consumption crops, though. People here are also being encouraged to plant native and drought-tolerant plants and remove their residential lawns. Cactus is not the only drought-tolerant plant. In fact, many drought tolerant plants that are recommended for Calif. come from Australia. In Las Vegas, NV and Phoenix, AZ people are not even allowed to have lawns in their front yards.


I boil water in the microwave oven. Much faster and maybe cheaper.

 

[tanguerra]

Don't plant eucalyptus trees whatever you do! They are drought tolerant, but highly flammable. Bad combo in a dry country!