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Revenge

Obie

Obie

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Have you ever gotten even with someone from a PL? Like they did you wrong, then you got them back type of thing? Its almost like I keep seeing that the same people keep hurting people repeatedly. I feel that when I was a child and I got bullied, I was bullied by people who hurt me in prior lives? How should I break out of this so in the next lives I'm no longer a victim?
 
I share your dilemma, Obie. There was a woman in this life who was a problem for me. I knew immediately that she would harm me, and she did. I'm sure I caused her pain, also. I don't know if it's best to avoid those people, or try to work it out. We tried to be friends, but the outcome was awful. Are there other members who have had a better outcome?
 
Ouch, revenge is a painful subject. In my opinion, it would be best to remove yourself from that loop. Even if getting back seems justified, it's just motivation for that other person to do the same. It sounds like a great big nasty trap, and neither of you will improve anything getting involved like that any further.


Without any knowledge of your situation or the context of what has transgressed, it's say it's best to swallow the pride and the hurt and put that behind you- even if the other person wouldn't do the same.


I know sometimes the urge can be really strong, and revenge can seem really righteous. Really, I know the feeling. There's a lot of pain that's come out of some past stuff for me and sometimes it's easy to get myself thinking that 'getting back' would fix something or make me feel better. But I really, truly believe that it wouldn't. It's a choice I constantly have to make.


From one of the three country songs I enjoy:

You can't get revenge and keep a spotless reputation
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I did in the 20's past life I had.


besides pushing that girl out the window


at a party. I just spiraled after that.


It was not safe world for women back then


This why, women carried guns


and hid knives on there person .


Some women of that era had no fear


of there actions especially if the came from money.
 
I'm afraid so, when the King Charles's men came to my hometown in Reading in 1642. My father sacrificed his life saving me, my sisters and my Mom but unfortunately we had to put my brother in an orphanage because us ladies couldn't raise him because of his gender. My father was slain as we were escaping via his boat. I was 10 years old at the time, but I was Daddy's little girl and to see him die like this meant vengeance. We docked at Glascow, Invernessshire where I started my campain


Thou Humpty Dumty thou fall


Although, it's all cool. My ancesters in this life were mostly scattered all over the English Civil War Battle Grounds during the time :)
 
I feel that everyone much choose for themselves how to approach the idea of revenge. My personal feelings are easy and are born out of years of being beaten up on.


Pain- Pain is the root cause of all evil in the world. From war to crime, it all comes from pain. That includes hate. Everyone feels pain to some degree in some way. Plus it's not fair to spread pain just because you feel pain too. That's not fair to you or others. If someone slaps you, the first thing that you should do is not slap them back. That just continues the cycle of pain. When someone hurts you, remember that they are in pain too, the same as you. Knowing these things makes the next thing easier.


Forgiveness- Everyone deserves forgiveness. More importantly everyone wants forgiveness. From their friends, from their family and loved ones, from their community, from their God, maybe even from themselves. For small things, for big things. For things that no one knows about. For things that everyone knows but still causes you shame and hurt. If you want forgiveness, then you have to be able to give it. To show that you deserve it. To show that you understand. And no, it's not easy. True forgiveness hurts. Not because of the act of forgiving, but in forgiving you let go of a tiny sliver of pain that you've been holding on to. You, me, everyone is so used to holding on to their pain that they can't imagine themselves without it. After awhile it feels like letting a piece of yourself go, when really, it was just nothing at all.


You are not the splinters in your heart. They just hurt. Letting them out and letting yourself heal is hard, I know first hand. I have no magic here and I haven't learned the trick of making it not hurt myself. But it can be made to heal, slowly, like all wounds.


You can still love this person regardless. I love plenty of people who will never love me back for various reasons. We love not because we expect something in return, not even love itself. We love because we love. Love is it's own answer, like hope.
 
You don't have to get revenge, you just have to stand up for yourself. Don't let them bully you and they won't be able to.
 
Breaking the Circle...


Dear Obie..


revenge is, in my opinion a terrible thing, and I am quite sure it does not exist on the level of our souls. I agree with SkyeSpitfire, no one can bully you without your permission! Look deep inside yourself and ask yourself what you present to the world that would allow this kind of behavior.


Of course we all, as humans, have the feeling of getting even, or taking revenge when we feel we have been unjustly handled, that is normal...but raising above this feeling is what will take us forwards...not backwards!
 
One of my teacher said that the balance in the world is very important so it means that it is difficult not to revenge and even sometimes it is necessery for developping your soul. But it is possible to give this person something different in exchange like forgivness, understanding or help.


She said for example that Hitler sacrificed himself taking so many lives and sins of people from the Second World War and puting onto his "reincarnation" account so they would develop spiritually. It may sound strange but in some way she was right if you see it from the perspective of PL.


Concerning the bullying hmm I see few answers to your problem. Perhaps you did something in your PL and you are still not even and you must pay for it. So that's why you met again this person/s. Or simply your soul needs this experience. I don't know why is that we all learn more from bad experiences than from happy ones. Hmm, it was always a mystery for me.


At this moment in my life I am on the other side, I seek for revenge. For something to balance my feelings. I know that it isn't good but my PL doesn't want to let it go and I am stuck with this guy who I can't leave alone. I don't talk to him, I try to avoid him and etc. But it really bugs me a lot especially that sometimes he pops in my life from nowhere. It looks like he also wants to clear our account and I think that's the reason why he sometimes shows in my life (although for him it is subconsciously). I tried to help him and I had 3 chances to do that but whenever I started something it ended very quickly. I don't know what to do. I decided that I won't do anything. However, I really don't know if it's right. Because what's the rason that he always comes back?
 
We don't need to seek revenge, because the Universe does it for us. I've seen this happen with people who hurt me, and I always end up feeling sorry for my erst-while enemy. The Universe is better at delivering retribution than we are.
 
Most people reading this won't realize that the "Humpty Dumpty" you are referencing comes from the siege of Colchester, during the English Civil War, Twilight. Lewis Carroll used the rhyme much later. Did you find this out during your research, or was it a spontaneous memory? In any event, it was an interesting reference! Many, if not all, the Nursery Rhymes we said as children have much darker origins.
 
BriarRose said:
Many, if not all, the Nursery Rhymes we said as children have much darker origins.
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Most kids, including our younger selves, have no idea what "Ring Around the Rosie" was about.
 
argonne1918 said:
Most kids, including our younger selves, have no idea what "Ring Around the Rosie" was about.
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I understood what it mean't at very young age.


Children has been singing that song for ages.
 
Wasn't it about the plague, argonne? Of course, I didn't know that until I was grown-up, and I'm sure my parents didn't. People hid political commentary in rhymes, because it wasn't safe to speak openly. I didn't mean to divert the thread - I thought people would find Twilight's post rather cryptic, because I am pretty sure he knows more about the English Civil War than the rest of us! :)
 
Sorry about the late reply, had to get back to work :) . I let out my filtration and let out anger and subconscious drama on the earlier post. For some of us fought for religious reason. Education was never even heard of in my regressions at least in childhood however I did gather some things like learning how to fight and maybe religion by my Mother; Catherine Devonshire and my husband Derek who taught me how to heal people.


Anyways others like us woman had to defend ourselves from the blunder of war so my mother taught me and my sister;Tanya how to fight and we went to battle through sea and land, the battles taken place are still hairy in my subconscious at this point but I'll see if I can track the info ;) . It's strange, I can into this life as a little boy thinking that the "scarier, the cooler" was the norm, always dreaming about death and a tidbit of memory sailing on a British baroque yacht and cannonballs shooting at us


This song brings out the attitude I experienced quite nicely :)


As far as Humpty Dumpy goes, I heard that from somewhere :/
 
BriarRose said:
Wasn't it about the plague, argonne? Of course, I didn't know that until I was grown-up, and I'm sure my parents didn't. People hid political commentary in rhymes, because it wasn't safe to speak openly. I didn't mean to divert the thread - I thought people would find Twilight's post rather cryptic, because I am pretty sure he knows more about the English Civil War than the rest of us! :)
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It was the black plague Rose.


Ashes were all the bodies they had to burn.
 
Makes scene :) , Although I'm not sure that humpty dumpy came out because of eitered in this life or a PL Memory but it's an honorable mention. I just need to be at the right place at the right time.
 
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