• Thank you to Carol and Steve Bowman, the forum owners, for our new upgrade!

Regarding Suicide

P

Phrozen84

New Member
I'm pretty new to all this stuff. I just got registered on this website because the more I read the more it interested me. I'm a 29 year old guy who's been suffering from BDD ( Body Dysmorphic Disorder) and some other mental disorders. My life has been a big mess for so many years now and so far what ever I have done to get things back on track has been nothing but utter failure.

I just wanted to know our opinion about suicide. If there is a higher force ( which imho there is), Would he make it extra hard on me in a next life just because I didn't like my body and wanted to start something new? Or would he be understanding and , Actually take all those previous stuff into consideration and at least make some amends here and there?

And by the way, I'm not considering doing anything so please feel free to answer my inquiry about this whole issue.
 
Regardless, even if you don't intend on harming yourself and you feel that some things are to hard to cope with, I (and we as a forum) recommend that you find someone close to your personal life to discuss these issues with. And that could be a good friend, a parent and even professional counseling.


Part of the reason for that is yes, the requisite public service announcement but also because things that you're dealing with now and in this life can't be brushed away by leaving it to a future life or by throwing your hands up and saying "it must just be from a past life".


Just as we as adults still struggle with issues from childhood or as a teenager, you will still struggle with them in a future life. It doesn't really end or resolve itself until you take active steps to deal with it now and in this life.


That said, past life research can shed some light on issues that you may be having either by revealing their source or by providing some clarity of how they may have transferred over to this one.


And you'll be glad to know you're not alone! Most people in some form or shape have one kind of issue or another that they are dealing with and also as most of us travel in family soul groups, these issues tend to be ongoing and evolving over time.


So my advice to you would be to do what you can now to help yourself as you'll make your current life better and the without a doubt, the next one too! wellllllcome
 
Hi Phrozen84,


I hope you have someone you can talk to. If not you should seek out a professional.


If you choose to end your life, you need to know that you will likely alter the life path of others you have chosen to work with in this life. suicide not only affects the individual soul but those that are left behind. That means, you will probably have to make up for it in a future life. So, it is a choice - live your life now (as your soul has planned), or delay and do it later.


There is a reason for us choosing the physical vehicles we have today. Past life therapy may help provide some answers as to why you have BDD. Have you ever considered this?


Whatever your perceived "failures" up to now, the future is still ahead of you, and it doesn't have to be a lost cause because there are many choices. You are only 29 y.o. You have your whole life ahead of you. Also, at 29 you going through your first saturn return. Even if you know nothing about astrology, please do some reading about this. This is always a critical age in any person's life.


Blessings.
 
So your telling me that no matter how I look at it, If a person ends up killing himself over the looks that he has ( and people judge him for those looks) he would have no say in anything?!


I read that before coming down to earth, Souls get to choose what body they want. Does this also apply to suicides?
 
You are not accountable for the way others judge your looks. You are responsible though for the way you react to this - your lesson here is how you choose to respond, so you do have a say.
 
The physical body choices and life lessons in our next life WILL BE dependent upon on the choices made (or not made) and lessons learnt (or not learnt) in previous lifetimes.
 
I was reading one of Dr Newtons books just last week titled: Journey of the Souls, That even those who committed suicide because of a mental disorder are given a new opportunity and that the issues that resulted in them going out of control would be resolved in the next life..How credible is that?
 
Within the community of those who believe in Reincarnation a very large number believes as I do that whatever we are troubled by in this life is by our own choosing. That is to say that, before we are born, we consult with our guides and choose some future difficulty with which to test our spiritual character and learn important lessons to carry on to our next lives. There is considerable anecdotal evidence that some people have chosen severe physical disabilities, while others have chosen abusive relationships or conditions of war, hardship and political struggle to teach and test each soul in their own particular way. In other cases the soul may choose, instead, to have some particular talent with which to help others learn lessons they have chosen in life.


Whatever the case, it may be helpful to consider this possibility, rather than to wrongly believe that there is some sort of heavenly father figure who takes perverse pleasure in torturing us.
 
Say for instance someone loosing it over the way he looks, And how the society he resides in treats him over ( specifically) for the way he looks..And then he just can't take it and does the unthinkable..would that be taken into account? Am i missing something here?
 
Phrozen84 said:
Say for instance someone loosing it over the way he looks...
Click to expand...
What is presently called a mental disorder, can also be interpreted as merely a case of self-centeredness based on a lack of experience. By experience I mean that too many individuals are superficially concerned about their appearance when they are surrounded by people who are managing to get by with horrible birth defects and disabilities while maintaining happy dispositions. If you are at your wits end about your own appearance, try viewing this four minute video about

, who has no arms or legs.
 
I wrote this with regards to transgender issues (which I've grappled with), but I think it applies to anyone that feels out of sorts with their body or their lives.

Long story short, everything in life (including our bodies) is an opportunity to experience something new or from a different perspective. It's the fact that we can try and find a way to turn something into an advantage or as a means of helping others that allows us to grow as people.

For years, I wouldn't look at myself in a photo or mirror, in fact I hated it and I used to obsess over how I just looked "stupid".

The reason why I was so uncomfortable was that I was a female in my last life and I died young and tragically. I suppose that left a deep mark in my soul and a part of it wouldn't admit that I have moved on and into a new body. But by having this body, I've been able to keep my family in an arrangement that works for us (it's kind of complicated :laugh:) and I wouldn't give them up for anything. Yea, I'd rather be a girl, but that would also mean giving up my wife and son (in many ways) and I don't want that.

Once more, I'd recommend looking at your past life to see if you couldn't suss out a source of your problem and I'd also look at some sort of counseling to help you take steps towards moving forward in this life.
 
Phrozen84 said:
I was reading one of Dr Newtons books just last week titled: Journey of the Souls, That even those who committed suicide because of a mental disorder are given a new opportunity and that the issues that resulted in them going out of control would be resolved in the next life..How credible is that?
Click to expand...
Dr. Newton's work is respected. A new lifetime affords EVERY soul new opportunities. But, if a soul chooses an early/unnecessary exit, this not only delays their progress, but also impacts on the life paths of other soul group members.
 
@Nightrain


I understand that i should be grateful for not being anywhere close to that guy ( which by the way is admirable). But the thing is, You have no idea ( really don't mean it in a bad way at all) what its like to be called ugly by people who see you 24/7.


I'm just tired..And there seems to be no end in sight for this continuous mess.
 
The easy answer is that you simply need to get away from them. Actually doing that may be hard. But quite honestly, there will come a time and day when they will be gone from your life.


Until then, you need to not let it bother you as best you can. Everyone can and will get through things like that and if I could go back in time and tell myself anything, it'd really be not to worry about it. Because one day, everything will work and you'll be like "if I had only believed it, I wouldn't have been so hard on myself."


I made a lot of bad decisions because many people told me the same thing in many different ways for long time. And I spent my time hating myself when i should have been working harder on getting out of there. Keeping my debt low, getting through college, working on getting a job / advancement.


In fact, I now work with my college students that are going through the same thing. The point is to not lose sight of what you're trying to accomplish because one day, it will fade and you want to be ready to be a success.


You're already trying to help yourself by asking about it, so that's a big step! I urge you to keep on the path and don't give up on yourself! hug3.gif
 
If people you know are calling you "ugly", you need to find new people to associate with. They are "ugly" on the inside, which, to my mind, is far worse. I have to agree with all the above posters. I think an understanding of your past lives could be of great benefit. You are very welcome on the forum, and I think will be able to teach all of us. My understanding is that a suicide goes right back into a body, and repeats the same situations, until the issues are resolved. There is absolutely nothing to be gained by suicide. Please don't suffer alone. Get professional help from someone who is trained to deal with your situation. I am sending you all the peace and love that I can command, and I'm sure all the others who read your posts are also.
 
Suicide: Don’t Do It!


Thinking about suicide? You should call one of the following numbers for support and counseling:


NATIONAL SUICIDE HOTLINE: (Toll Free) 1-888-248-2587


NATIONAL HOPELINE NETWORK: (Toll Free) 1-800-SUICIDE (1-800-784-2433)


(Or check out): http://www.suicidal.com


(More resources are available on this site, under:


You Are Not Alone: Resources For Times Of Need)
 
Please don't commit suicide, it doesn't solve anything!


I committed suicide in a past life and while I got away from that life, my problems only followed me into another, but different situation and set of problems.


While I was never judged on the other side for it, the lessons were not learned and had to be learned over again.


I understand completely what you are going through, because I am going through some of the very same things. Since I am aware of what happened last time and the devastating effects, I am working hard to overcome them, so that I no longer have to struggle with the lessons.


Take it from someone who has been in similar situations for several lifetimes...it's not worth it. You won't be punished per se, but you'll have a whole new set of issues to work through.


If you ever need anything or someone to talk to, feel free to PM me.
 
@Briarrose and Rustickid


Thank you so much. It feels good to know there are people who care about you. If only i had more of your type in the environment i currently reside. You would be surprised to know were I come from. I'm actually from a country that is pretty hostile towards the US and I just hope you guys don't by any means judge me for anything related to that. If anything, My people were absolutely cruel to me and I was and have been single/Lonely for as long as i can remember.
 
Phrozen84 said:
You have no idea ( really don't mean it in a bad way at all) what its like to be called ugly by people who see you 24/7.
Click to expand...
Actually, I do know what it's like. When I returned from Vietnam in 1968 my face was so badly scarred that people would cross the street rather than have to ignore me at close quarters; and children in their naive honesty would tell me to my face how ugly I was. However, it didn't bother me, because I knew that others had it much worse and still managed to have happy rewarding lives. In fact, when I awoke in a Hawaiian military hospital, there in the bed next to me was a Korean Vet who appeared to be standing in a hole in his bed. However, there was no hole. Half of his body was missing and he was sitting up in a leather harness. Shortly after the shock of that scene a most beautiful and happy lady came to visit him. She was his wife and they appeared to be very happy together. He was a successful jewelry maker in paradise, and there was no reason at all to feel sorry for him.


I have had many occasions to look back on people that I've known since childhood, who were probably not suitable material for modeling or playing key parts in film; but who, nonetheless, were people that I would have wanted to spend more time with: Robert, the boy with cerebral palsy; Scott, the boy across the street whose face was distorted badly by the attending physician at his birth; and Mary, the very tall gawky girl with glasses who could out-spell anyone in my class. I also remember my mother's friend, Ruth, a hunchback dwarf who was the kindest woman I've ever known.


These are the people who matter—not the conceited self-involved glamor dolls who can't recite a single line of literature and haven't the slightest notion of kindness. Those are the people who would dare to call you or me ugly, and who don't deserve the time of day from us in return.


Yes, I do know what it's like to be criticized and misjudged. But I also know how to let it roll off my back. Instead of looking in the mirror or paying attention to critics, find someone who you know has it worse, and give them a meaningful compliment. Visit a hospital, or talk to a nurse who has seen the most horrific cases. Step out from inside yourself and discover how full your life can be.
 
Phrozen, we will never judge you by the country you are from. I think people in every country on earth sometimes disagree with the things their governments do, or with some of their fellow citizens! We aren't "political" on this forum. It's strange, I think. I've seen perfectly attractive young people judged by their peers to be "ugly". Many of them go through life wearing a label that doesn't even fit, because they internalize other people's cruelty. As Nightrain said, love is available to everyone. Do you have any past life memories, or theories about where your body dysmorphia came from?
 
One of the biggest problems of suicide for the soul is that you don't get away from the problem, you only prolong it. Something I learned from my last life is that I really didn't understand what it was I was trying to avoid. I thought I did, but I was wrong and had to deal with the same type of thing again. I'm happy to say I handled it differently this time.


I'm sorry you're in such a bad environment, but anybody who is going to judge you on your looks isn't worth your time. Here you are on the internet where people get to see the real you, the person inside. Our bodies are little more than cloaks that we are required to wear for a relatively short time before we're awarded a new one. Meanwhile, wear it proudly and/or in defiance of what others think. So far, it seems we all think you're pretty cool. (And let's leave the national hostilities to the generals and politicians. We've got better things to do! ;) )
 
@ Briarose and Shiftkitty.


I'm actually persian. I wasn't raised in this country though. I grew up in a neighboring country to my homeland and that's were i learned English ( 14 years or so). My life went down the drain when i got back to my homeland.
 
Hi Phrozen, welcome to the forum.


I just want to tell you about a couple who live in my town. I live in a fairly small town with a population of about 35,000. Well in my town there lives a young couple. The woman is disabled and has to spend her entire life in a wheelchair. Her husband is terribly disfigured. I don't know the name for the condition that he has, but he was obviously born that way. This couple are known to just about every person in my town. On any day you can walk through town and you will see them, the husband with his shopping bag, pushing his wife in her wheelchair, and she always has the biggest smile on her face, and you always see them chatting in the street to anyone and everyone, they have so many friends, and not because people pity them, but because people admire them for not hiding away behind closed doors, too afraid to come out and face people, but rather putting their looks and disabilities aside and getting out there and being a part of society. It just shows you that ugliness means nothing when genuine people can see what lies beneath the surface. To me, ugliness is not something that can be seen, but only something that can be experienced, and the only true ugliness in your life is the ugliness within the people who judge you on your looks.


I'm glad you found this forum, you've received some excellent replies in this thread. May I suggest that you go back and read every reply again and really digest what others are saying to you here. Very few of us are blessed with the perfect body, so forget about your looks, there's very little any of us can do to change that. Instead, try and focus on your strengths and put them to good use, wishing yourself dead is never the answer.
 
@Chris R


Thank you so much. Your words are like music to my ears. It means so much to me that people who live miles away show you so much love and affection while people who see you everyday just ignore you for the way you look and constantly mock you ( which is why over the past year, I've spent more time indoors)
 
Phrozen, I don't know how much access you have to American movies, but there's a classic made in 1945, called "The Enchanted Cottage". It stars Robert Young, and Dorothy McGuire. It's about a young soldier who has terrible scars from his military service, and a young maid who is considered to be "homely". They marry for convenience, and fall in love. He begins to find her beautiful, and she sees him as the handsomest man alive. They believe that their honeymoon cottage is "enchanted", and has changed their bodies, but it's really the power of love. If you can find this movie, I think you would like it very much.
 
In the area I live in there is an Iranian ex-patriot community. Many are professional people: doctors, teachers, musicians, etc. Many of them were foreign students at the local university here back in 1979. When the Shah was overthrown they were stranded here and could not go home. But they all have relatives in Iran today and try to keep in touch with those back home the best they can. The Iranians/Persians here have formed a cultural group and also classes to teach the Farsi language and culture to their children and grandchildren. And most important of all is the Internet. There are tons of videos on YouTube made by the Persian community around the world.
 
@argonne


Yes i realize that there's a large number of iranians living in the states. My father studied in TX just before the (isamic) revolution. But unfortunately, My own country was nothing but pain and misery and had nothing to offer.


@ Briarose


The only reincarnation themed movie ive seen so far was called Cloud Atlas. Oh yeah, and "What Dreams May Come" and "Birth".
 
It's not about reincarnation - it's just a funky old movie about the power of love to transform how we see people. :)
 
When I was in college (many years ago) I had several classes with a man who had a full-blown case of Tourette syndrome. The worst version, with the involuntary spitting, tics, swearing, etc. He would, at the beginning of each semester, get up in front of the class and explain what Tourette's was. He was the most fascinating conversationalist I had ever known. I would so enjoy talking with him that I would end up with spit all over me, and not care about it at all. He never hid and always faced the world head on. Very inspiring guy. Lost touch with him though. He is proof that no matter what kind of body you have, you can still be a proud and fascinating person.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top