Question about fragmented souls

[Florence]

Do you believe it is possible to reincarnate with a portion of your soul remaining in the astral as a ghost?
I'm asking this because I watched a TV program where they were thinking they contacted the soul of Hitler and, I believe, after all of these years he has probably reincarnated. I think one of the older members on this forum spoke of having seen him. A member who knew him quite well in a past life and a person who I tend to believe

Some time ago I also watched another program where a woman claimed to be haunted, to do with a very old house in the Southern USA. I was supposed to be a true story. It turned out that the ghost was a fragment of her former self with a message....

Has anyone ever come across this or read about this possibility????

It makes me wonder, if in some of our members cases of dramatic and violent deaths, whether a part of their soul has been left behind in the astral and if in remembering they reclaim it. Maybe that is why those lives seem to be more easily remembered because a part of their soul is missing in THIS life.....Sound crazy???

 

[Jody]

I think you're on to something there, Florence. There's a shamanistic practice called "Soul Retrieval" that operates on this principle.


I watch the TV show "Ghost Hunters" quite a bit and I know there are two different types of hauntings -- intelligent and residual. Intelligent hauntings are when ghosts can interact with the paranormal investigator -- respond to questions posed, etc...


Residual hauntings are like a video playing back on a loop. They are sometimes triggered by anniversaries and are really just an event recorded in time that keeps playing out the same way. Sometimes I wonder if, when a person blocks out a certain traumatic event in their mind -- disassociates with it, if you will -- they aren't leaving behind something like residual haunting energy, thus depleting their vital force, or at least their spiritual integrity, which is what the idea of "soul retrieval" is all about restoring.

 

[Nightrain]

Do you believe it is possible to reincarnate with a portion of your soul remaining in the astral as a ghost?
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...It makes me wonder, if in some of our members cases of dramatic and violent deaths, whether a part of their soul has been left behind in the astral and if in remembering they reclaim it. Maybe that is why those lives seem to be more easily remembered because a part of their soul is missing in THIS life.....Sound crazy???

Hi Flo!


I have often read about the belief, that our higher self remains on the astral plane, where they are fully connected with the Akashic Record and the universal consciousness. Although the concept seems a little far-fetched, I do agree with the idea of connectedness; and further believe that individual souls of people like Hitler, Stalin and Pol-Pot must necessarily be reincarnated in some fashion that will teach them the folly of their ways. I can't imagine, however, that such notable people would be discoverable in any way, because that could or would certainly interfere with the purpose of their reincarnation.


If it is true that we all reincarnate, I would opine that our knowledge on this plane is far more limited than it is on the spiritual plane; which would suggest that we have all left an important part of ourselves on that higher plane.


-Nightrain

 

[Aaab]

If it is true that we all reincarnate, I would opine that our knowledge on this plane is far more limited than it is on the spiritual plane; which would suggest that we have all left an important part of ourselves on that higher plane.


-Nightrain

While I fully agree with this as a possibility, the reason that I have attributed as a possibility for our limited knowledge on this plane is the limitations of the physical brain within which our soul is currently residing.

 

[Florence]

John, I don't believe the person I was speaking of on this forum has been around lately. She was a male associate in that life in Police work. In this life she is connected to the police also....but in a very positive way. Hitler and several others may be in the same soul group. She attended a gathering of some kind and suggested that he was also in attendance. I don't know what he does now....but he was a good artist in the Hitler life. There have*been many Hitlers down through the ages....Power crazy souls. Don't forget that while they are in between lives they are being re-educated.


Seth says your soul is like an onion...each layer is a different life...different personality.


Ideally...if you die, your whole soul goes into the light etc etc


Is it possible that suffering a terrible death that 9/10ths of your soul goes into the light and 1/10th stays injured and fearful in the astral....still connected to that tragic moment....maybe that is the ghost that just replays over and over....


If a larger portion stays behind maybe there is intelligence involved??? It's very confusing isn't it...I wonder if you are not regressed to release some of thos memories how your soul gets released. Some souls stay trapped for many many years. I even thought that maybe after a given length of time your soul reclaims itself??

 

[Charles Stuart]

It makes me wonder, if in some of our members cases of dramatic and violent deaths, whether a part of their soul has been left behind in the astral and if in remembering they reclaim it. Maybe that is why those lives seem to be more easily remembered because a part of their soul is missing in THIS life.....Sound crazy???

Hi Florence,


I really do not think that this is plausible. IMHO our "higher self" is not external to us, but internal to us. As Aaab said, and I agree, it is far more a question of the "physical consciousness" hampering the subconscious, spiritual "True Self".


IMHO the Soul/Spirit is indivisible and indestructible.


As for Seth, I've already shared my personal opinion with you...

 

[sellingmysoul]

I don't know what to think about the idea of fragmented souls, but it certainly gives one food for thought. I tend to think of the soul as being indivisible and indestructible, but I wonder how much this has been influenced by others? Neoplatonist thinking teaches us the soul is immortal and indivisible, and this greatly influenced Christian theology, so maybe I should keep more of an open mind on the subject of soul-fragmentation.

 

[Charles Stuart]

Hi all,


From what can be concluded by observation, the Soul-Consciousness and its Spiritual Body are capable of contracting to the size of an atom or expanding almost to the size of the universe, as well as acting upon "bi-location" - being in two places at the same time - but not for long periods of time and still, neverthless, as "one", and not divided into two or more.


This as an interesting thread on conclusions regarding the characteristics of Soul/Spirits based on what has been possible to observe:


Body, Soul and Spirit

 

[Laurasia]

Hello Florence.


It's nice to see another fan of "Ghost Hunters" by the way.


I have to say from my own experiences that you are quite onto something with your line of thinking. I have experienced soul loss/fragmentation myself & have worked for quite a while to deal with that issue.


In regards to hauntings, I have to agree with your assumption. I have come into contact with the energy of my own former incarnation as Hans & feel very much so that I have "left an echo of him" somewhere in Poland. So I do feel that residual hauntings are created from stress - which, remember, can be good or bad. In my case with Hans he interacts much as an intelligent haunting would, but I think that is only because he is my own past life. I don't feel, or have known of, anyone else would experience him as an "intelligent haunting". I hope that makes some sense.


Sincerely,


Laurasia

 

[Florence]

It has always been my belief that the Spirit and the Soul are separate.


The Spirit being our life force, a spark of God, pure....your highest super consciousness and not earthly. Your Spirit created your Soul


The Soul operates in or out of the physical. It is your Subconscious mind. It experiences everything and remembers everything. All of your past live are contained within your Soul.


Your Spirit stays on a higher plane and your Soul can contact your Spirit. The more contact the Soul has the more Spiritual you will become. I am supposing that at the time of your last life.....your Soul would be filled with the purity of Spirit.


I have had my photo taken which shows the colors of your physical aura on that day and time. I was pretty neat. I also often look into my bathroom mirror in candle light and see my own Aura...It is a light Blue which was confirmed to me by a psychic. She and I said the color together...grin.....I also often see a lot of light yellow closer to my head....along with the Blue farther out... It's certainly interesting.


I have also decided that possibley a Residual haunting may just be the very strong emotion that were in the air at the time of a murder or something. Over time...these emotions would just gradually fade away???


I'm still concerned about the injured sol fragment. It's NOT destroyed it's just temporarily separated.


Otherwise....how could there be an intelligent ghost or whatever stuck in the astral plane???

 

[Charles Stuart]

Hi Florence,

Your Spirit stays on a higher plane and your Soul can contact your Spirit. The more contact the Soul has the more Spiritual you will become. I am supposing that at the time of your last life.....your Soul would be filled with the purity of Spirit.

I would say that the only "Spirit" capable of such would be the "Spirit of God", don't you think? Or do you believe that we, as Soul-Consciousnesses, coexist at two places simultaneously?

 

[Florence]

Hello Laurasia.....Yes, I do watch Ghost Hunters and Jody said she was a fan also.


Looks like you and Jody agree with me to some extent....When I posted last....I had not read yours. You must have been posting at the same moment.


I am quite fascinated at the thought of meeting your own ghost...Soo over the top...


When I had seen the woman on TV who made that claim I was amazed as I had never heard of that before. She was a very calm straight foreward and bright woman. Very well spoken....very sensible.....


If our very thoughts are always creating who knows how the Universe of God works. I have believed since I was about 13....if you can THINK it....it must be possible or you would not be able to think it. Now I add to that...in the act of thinking....you make it possible.


It's a good subject to meditate on..."The Journey of the Soul"

 

[Florence]

Charles...Hello...


When I spoke of being filled with spirit...I was referring to a final reincarnation...as in the case of Christ or all of the other Master Souls or Teachers. Being on the Earthly plane I don't think we can get 100%.


I have met two people in this life who exuded absolute goodness. You could come within 10 feet and feel it in the air. Wonderful good, kind and loving people. Those souls have got to be well on their way to a higher plane I believe...

 

[Charles Stuart]

Hi Florence,


I think what happens is a certain confusion regarding interpreting experiences. The Soul is Thought, or, to use a better term, Consciousness. It is the Creative God Particle, made of the same Creative Essence. It is indivisible and indestructible.


Created by the Soul-Consciousness is the Spiritual Body, which in its origin is ovoid in shape, such as the image in Wendy's photograph. This Spiritual Body is fluid and flexible and consists of some form of Light, of which the Spiritual Realms are also formed.


While incarnated, we have our Physical Body and also what is called an Ethereal Double, or Double Etherial, which is what Deborah and others have sometimes seen and which could be described by someone who has seen it as "their own ghost". Both the physical and the ethereal bodies decompose upon death.


As for the "aura", the external level which can be seen and detected with the Kirlean photos, it is very much expanded in the more "enlightened" beings. One person who had the gift of being able to see it said that Chico Xavier's was about 10 metres wide, and in this, yes, others can sense it at a distance.


What I keep getting at here, however, is as to the indivisibility of the Soul-Consciousness, which is always only at one point in space-time. :thumbsup:

 

[Florence]

Gotcha Charlie!! So your saying that the soul cannot divide ....It is always in tact in one location.


Then....that would mean that all of intelligent so called ghosts, are souls that for whatever reason stay in the astral instead of moving into the light. They have attachments to earthly possessions or they are fearful of judgement. They have not reincarnated


Other situations such as meeting your own ghost or feelng you are fragmented....is actually the strong emotions left behind in a past life situation and is seen sometimes as a residual. The soul is not involved in this type of happening


When people are regressed to a past life and discover what has caused a terrible fear in THIS life.....It is all lingering emotional damage that has carried over and your soul has no part in it except that it remembers....


Is that correct......?


If so.....What is it that Shamen go back and reclaim when they are helping to bring a person back to wholeness. What does your African teaching say about that? I swear Charles, it gets very complicated.. I am trying to put it all in order in my mind.


A few years ago I attended a class. I was told to stand up against a white wall while they lite candles and observed my arua. The problem was that after 30 seconds or so, I had another aura move next to me. It was half my size. After questioning, the group decided it was a small spirit who assisted me in gardening. I was an avid gardener at that time.

 

[Florence]

Oh my gosh.....here I am thinking again.


If I am a entity or soul not unlike an onion.....having many layers of different personalities.....Why is it not possible that a smll part of my soul has been injured and is with one of those personalities?? It would not be a divided soul because it's contained within the same body....


That would be an answer to the Shaman and also to a person being regressed and that regression ending a guilt or fear that they have carried into this life and their present personality.


What do you think???....or should I stop thinking.....grin......

 

[deborah]

HI Charles and Florence,


Regarding this statement Charles:

What I keep getting at here, however, is as to the indivisibility of the Soul-Consciousness, which is always only at one point in space-time.

I thought this article about bi-location - written by scientists might be of interest. A quantum mechanical view of bi-location.

The famous double-slit experiment has yielded consistent evidence that atoms, electrons, photons, even molecular conglomerates as large as 70 carbon atoms, can be in superposition, or in other words, simultaneously in two places at once.

From the same article:

The “many worlds” theory adopts a different approach, saying that it is not observation which collapses the wave function into one “reality,” but that the superpositions move into alternative realities and manifest in parallel universes.

From and extended article with Dr. Stuart Hameroff:

BH – So, I don’t know if you even want to go here, but what would make it possible in consciousness to actually bi-locate? Do you think it’s even possible?
SH – I think there’s entanglement. I think ah, as far as the physical body being in two places? No. But I think in terms of consciousness, I think people can be entangled. But it happens at the unconscious level usually. I think, you know, relationships, love for example might be some sort of quantum entanglement between people. And I think if you get into parapsychology there is all sorts of suggestive evidence for non-locality. So I think that at the unconscious level at least there may be quantum entanglement among different people. And there’s a sociologist I know who says if this is true, what are the implications at the sociological level, in society, political level … there’s all these non-local, unconscious quantum entanglement interactions going on, and in many cases without people even realizing it. There are a lot of implications there for all kinds of things.

Sorry to quote so much - but I have company!

 

[Charles Stuart]

Hi Deborah,


In my view, the "quantic entanglement" would correspond very closely to the "collective subconsciousness". Yes, I agree that a Soul-Spirit can bi-locate, but under the one and same Consciousness, which can expand and be in two places simultaneously, but not for very extended periods.


Hi Florence,


"Ghosts" are the disincarnated Soul-Spirits, who are currently in the "Astral" or "Spiritual" realms. And yes, many of them who manifest in events such as hauntings or polterghests are indeed still "stuck" in the physical realms. They have not made the passing, or "entered the light", as you say. Many are also still stuck in the "lower realms", which are the ones in closest proximity to our "physical" realm. But even the ones in the "higher realms" are capable of descending and manifesting in the physical realm. Those in the higher realms can descend, those in the lower realms cannot ascend...


Hope I'm making sense to you...


As for the "residues", they are "emotional residues", and we carry within our Soul-Consciousness the sum total of all our past... What the Shaman brings back to make us "whole" is our "past".


Ah, and the other Aura that was seen was very probably one of your Spiritual Guides...

 

[Nightrain]

Being a learning disabled, and therefore, a less than whole person; I can identify with some aspect of a fractured soul. It is very difficult, however, for me to imagine a superior part of myself running around trying to impress all the girl spirits on that higher plane. : angel


Whether we chose such handicapped lives on earth or not is not so much at issue as the question, "What is our whole self doing?" If our "whole self" is busy looking over us and guiding us through the rough path ahead, I can accept that. However, up until now, I have been comforted by the theory that our guides are separate personalities. If, in fact, our guides are ourselves; then it would seem as if it was a case of the blind leading the blind. At any rate, I can honestly say that I sometimes feel as if I've been abandoned by everyone on the spiritual plane.


-Nightrain

 

[stardis]

I have always "felt" that there is a higher self but also guiding spirits who are taking an active role in helping us to accomplish some sort of goals that we have agreed to work through. I think it is important to remember that we are spirit and flesh - our goals may be for our own personal growth and at the same time our goals may be for a more universal growth of mankind.


I know what you mean by feeling abandoned and I have found it is easier to to see the love of God in the world around me than it is to see it in myself. I find the Love in simple things when I am thoughtful about who I am and why I am here.

 

[stardis]

Just in the spirit of friendly discussion:


The possibility that our consciousness can or does exist simultaneously in multiple "places" seems to me the more logical approach when considering the current thinking about how physical reality is manifested in the universe. Physicists do actually think that "things" exist in more than one location at the same time. I think it is logical to extend that thinking to the soul or spirit (its all the same to me).


I can't see why the soul would not also exist in more than one place at the same time also. The Higher Self being the part of the soul that has not merged with a physical life form and is instead still in another plane of existence. I am not a fragment of the Higher Self but just another aspect of that self. The Higher Self is aware of all of its incarnations which may be happening simultaneously. There is some thinking that we experience time because we are separate from the rest of the universe, we are separate from the Higher Self who exists in a timeless state. We are not fragments of something whole, but rather we are different aspects of one soul - the Higher Self.


There is no good reason that I can ascertain to believe that our physical body contains one whole complete soul that exists in only the one physical body. I think that idea is born out of mankind's inability to "think outside of the box". It is an old fashioned idea that came into being because we humans were unable to conceive of a universe that transcended our human experience.

 

[wednesday]

I have wondered in the past also if it's possible to exist with only a portion of your soul. The reason I started wondering is that I've met a few people that caused me to rethink the assumption that everyone actually has a soul, which to me is hard to imagine but I was forced to. I decided that there must at least be a fragment of one in everyone in order to blend in but certainly not a whole one. If you've ever had the misfortune to have to live with, or be around a sociopath or psychopath you'll know exactly what I'm talking about, if not you may not be able to stretch your imagination that far.


I can think of three in this life right off the top of my head. It's like everything about them is on the surface and most of that is an act. They really don't seem to have ANYTHING inside.


The reason this particular thread caught my eye and got me thinking is because of my ex, who was the one I got the closest look at. I took me a year and a half to believe what I was seeing. I started thinking of him as a biological robot. It's hard to even describe. It's like everything in him was preprogrammed and after his act fell apart it wasn't possible to have a conversation even. The answers were programmed in and unchanging, no thoughts at all unless it was business related. The act he put up when I met him, I found out, was ex pretending to be his brother. He 'borrowed' his brothers persona in order to look normal, including to even lie about little things like his birth order in the family. His childhood memories he told me about were actually things his brother did. It's like some alien on some sci-fi show studying humans in order to imitate them to blend in.


The look they tell you about that psycho's have I really didn't notice in the other two, and in my ex not until after a year and a half. I'd joke that there was a human soul fragment that he held up behind his eyes to hide behind. It fell out one day and it took me close to a week to even remember the conversation, it was that creepy. It wasn't 'nothing' that I looked into. It was like the 'nothing' in there was eminating from him. It's one of those things you have to see to believe.


That moment made me rethink everything that I thought of as human. The 'every one is created equal' and the 'do unto others' quotes, come to mind as good examples. These guys (or gals, in my case they were all male) don't care at all about anyone, they put on an act then they drop it after there is nothing for them to gain anymore. They find a personality to imitate that would be best to gain the trust of their target and holy cow, they can act. When you know what they are and watch from the side line it's stunning.


I've wondered about these three and what may have caused them to be reduced to that (they themselves didn't see themselves as reduced though, at least two of them thought they were quite superior) Sociopathy is supposed to be partly biological, but what caused the rest? Child abuse in some contributes to their problems but some people who weren't abused have this disorder and lots of people who were abused grow up just fine despite it all. Then again lying is a constant thing for sociopaths so are they telling the researchers the truth or just what they want to hear?

 

[Nightrain]

Hi Wednesday!


I think you've brought up an extremely important reality that causes many of us to wonder about whether some people have souls. I've met many animals that exhibit more "soul-ness" than many humans. It has certainly given me cause to wonder if the soul by itself automatically imbues anyone with sainthood. It may, in fact, be more realistic to view the soul as prone to make bad decisions just like any individual. Could a soul be completely evil? I think it's possible. But, it would be nice if the owner's manual for the soul would help us to know if it is responsible for making bad judgments.


I have known a number of people, who were aware of their bad decisions. And, they have often said, "I don't like being the way I am, but I can't seem to control it!" Are they without a soul? And, if they have a soul, what part does it play in our behavior? What does it mean to have a fragmented soul?


-Nightrain

 

[stardis]

Hi wednesday.


First of all, I do think (because I certainly don't know) that everyone has the complete portion of the soul. The soul is not fragmented into pieces. (I will try and make this thought more clear when I can.) We may not be the "ghost in the machine" but instead are experiencing this life in a way that we, as human beings, cannot comprehend. We think of ourselves as individuals only because that is our human experience and our soul experience may be quite different.


What I have always thought is that the soul is a good guy through and through - not possessing any horrible qualities - but the one in charge of this life is the human being and if the human being has a deviant personality then the soul may not be able to salvage the life of that human being. The really good people that we meet in life are human beings who were able to get in touch with their inner being or soul and are enlightened with the knowledge of who they are - Eternal Beings of Light (whether they realize this consciously or not).


Perhaps it takes a really strong-willed spirit to turn a real stinker of a human into someone good who can live a productive life. Maybe that is something that we, as spirits, have to develop over the many incarnations - the ability to take charge over the baser animal instincts of our human hosts. When you think about it, the relationship between spirit and human is a symbiosis of physical life and spirit life.


I wonder how others think of the relationship between human beings and spirits?

 

[Florence]

Since I brought all of this up....I have gone back to Edgar Cayce to refresh my mind on what he says on the subect.


1. Conscious mind is your personality


2. Subconscious mind is your soul


3. Superconscious mind...also called higher self,


collective mind, Budda mind, Christ conscious


and Universal mind


Your goal is to awaken the superconscious mind or higher self which is walking with spirit, angels and where guides reside


The soul is the creation and the vehicle of the spirit and is linked to the body. It is your link between Heaven and Earth.


The soul is constantly changing, growing and learning. It has free will so if it stays disconnected from the higher mind I would suppose that it would be a very good candidate for the very lower astral planes when this life has ended.


I think many people have used drugs and have been unprotected in the process.....maybe they have become under the influence of some nasty souls.


I think it's all quite complicated. If these people have whole souls they must have been very damaged when they came again into the physical.


You begin again....where you left off in the past.


www.edwardrice.com This man is a certified Hypnoterapist who is presently writing a book. He has been in practice for 25 years. He is writing about past lives and multidimentional beliefs.


It's a very interesting list of articles....if any one is interested

 

[deborah]

HI Charles,

Through mediumnity, the make-up of the Soul-Spirit has been described by spiritual beings, not physical ones, and through coherent and careful observation one can perceive the reality of such descriptions...

Quantum Physics suggests that everything in our reality - is of our making. The chair, the book, the apple, etc. This is also true for demons, angels and spirits (according to Deepak Chopra - and others who are researching the phenomenon). So - what is true for one person - may not be so for another.


Some physicists suggest that what we know and how we come to know it alters the thing we seek knowledge about. The act of knowing (which is action) is always accompanied by an action in the physical world. So gaining knowledge about a thing always means, in some manner, physically altering the thing. Somehow the very act of learning something extracts some form of knowledge or essence from the thing.


In a way the act/action of knowledge -takes from the material world but isn't itself material - -none the less it affects matter.


So when knowledge changes - things also change.

 

[stardis]

www.edwardrice.com This man is a certified Hypnoterapist who is presently writing a book. He has been in practice for 25 years. He is writing about past lives and multidimentional beliefs.
It's a very interesting list of articles....if any one is interested

Hi Florence.


Thanks for the link. Also, I love Edgar Cayce.


I was reading this article that Edward Rice wrote called Simultaneous Time and found it to be really thought provoking.

 

[stardis]

Charles, I love your avatar.


I wasn't referring to you in the quote. What I meant was that it is not possible - in my opinion - for any human being to know what the true nature of the soul is. If it were possible to know that information, then I think that the knowledge would have been shared with us human beings long ago. We know our true nature imperfectly and I would suppose for a reason. I think that people seek reasons for their existence and find comfort in various religions that are mostly nonsensical but serve the purpose of bringing like-minded people together to share their emotions.


I really do think that we are perfect spirits who are engaged in some sort of endeavor within the physical world that we are not allowed to understand as long as we are incarnate. Everything is a guess on our part - some guesses may be better than others. Everything that we know about the spirit comes from a human being.

 

[Charles Stuart]

If it were possible to know that information, then I think that the knowledge would have been shared with us human beings long ago.

No, it has been necessary for humankind to reach the stage of evolution that we have reached so that such information might come forward at this moment in "time"...


There is much that can be observed, including past life memories under hypnosis, but what we are still facing are differences in "interpretation".


:thumbsup:

 

[stardis]

No, it has been necessary for humankind to reach the stage of evolution that we have reached so that such information might come forward at this moment in "time"...
There is much that can be observed, including past life memories under hypnosis, but what we are still facing are differences in "interpretation".


:thumbsup:

I can see where that could be the case, regarding human evolution. I don't agree with that reasoning at all, but I can see the logic in your thinking. One thing that I find absolutely ridiculous is the thinking that we, as spirits, need to evolve at all. Where does that idea come from? I can see no logic at all in that. I think that the "spiritual evolution" model is false and we fool ourselves in believing it. I grew up believing that also but fortunately have seen the light. I may change my mind in the future (one of my simultaneous incarnations - no kidding!).


The problem with the interpretation of view points is that your thoughts seem to be more pinned down than my own. I am just flying by the seat of my pants. You have the Spiritist movement to fall back on and I am skeptical of that or indeed any other movement. I feel that we have to come to our understanding of our relationship with All That Is as lonely individuals - just my thoughts and no offense meant.


But, yes, I do more and more believe in the simultaneous incarnation thing and after giving it much thought, do not see any inconsistencies or fallacies in that reasoning. I makes sense to me and I never thought that I would say that.