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Pastlives that overlap

wolfldy

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Greetings,
I have memories of dying on the Titanic, but I also have memories of a SS soldier that I found was born in 1911 (which is before the Titanic sank). Can that be possible? I know I am this man as I saw who he was in a mirror. I found out information about him and it said that he was born in 1911.

I am :confused: about this. Anyone else have this kind of experience.

I apologize if it has been posted before, but didn't see any post that resembled this recently.
 
Are you certain it was the Titanic?? If not perhaps it was another large cruise liner :)


If not, there's always the messy topic of Alternate Universes :laugh:


I've not EXACTLY suffered this problem, but I'm aware of being a soldier in WW1, though I have always been very much drawn to WW2, I may yet come across overlapping lifetimes~
 
Past lives that overlap


Hi,


I am very sure. I recognize many names and I was part of the guarantee group from Harland and Wolff. I was Robert Chisholm in that life, the head draughtsman. I have many memories as Robert, but also have memories as the SS soldier and his name was Erich Wasicky. I was a fairly big guy with blonde hair and was part of doing medical experiments on prisoners.


Anyways, I thought I would respond back to you.
 
Like finding family members and friends are reincarnated together, overlapping lives is just as common.


There's two people in my family with overlaps of 10 years.. Which I think is about the average.


How long is your overlap?
 
Past lives that overlap


Hello,


I didn't realize that lives can overlap as the Titanic Draughtsman, Robert died in 1912 and the SS pharmacist was born in 1911, so I guess there was an overlap of a year.


I will say the memories as Erich Wasicky were very sick. I'm appalled at the memories and emotions that this man held. I even have memories as I was being hung such as the people calling me to die. I mean to kill people in medical experiments without anesthesia is sick beyond words. This life I think it is make up for that life as I do have some significant health problems and had the Nazis won, I would have ended up being killed in some American version of the T-4 extermination program.


Robert's life was different as he felt guilt at the end that his beautiful creation sank taking so many people with her. Ironically, both Robert and Erich spoke fluent German. Robert spoke it when necessary.


Lights,


Walk-in might apply, but not for sure though. The overlap makes more sense to me though.
 
Past lives that overlap


The overlap idea is very interesting. I guess that might explain why I have memories of being in the Russian Revolution. I believe I may have been Stalin as I have had very clear memories of having carried my daughter, Svetlana in my arms when she was perhaps eight or ten. I also think it is a possibility as my facial features are a blend of Lightoller's and Stalin's. There are other very clear memories/dreams of Lenin and others from the Bolsheviks.


Believe me, this makes for some very schizophrenic moments. :confused:
 
I think there is probably an explanation that doesn´t involve parallel lives. Why do you think you were in the Titanic and you were that person? And why do you think you were Erich Wasicky? What are your memories and what could you validate? Not saying your memories are not right, just that maybe it was another ship, not the Titanic, or maybe you were another SS, not him. It's common for people to be drawn to the most known events first, like the Titanic.
 
HI,


When you had your memories, what were the conditions? Meditation? Solo Regression, Group Regression? Dreams?


There are other possibilities as Owl suggested. Could you explain more?
 
My feelings on the topic are that where ever we all come from (The afterlife, Heaven, the before, home, choose your favorite.) it's a place outside of time. Many people who have had near death experiences have related seeing people that they knew and were still alive, but much older. Some people on this board have related stories of dying, looking in what they interpreted as a book, and choosing a life in World War II, as an example. Which life came first with regards to history on this world? Who knows? It doesn't really matter. They are both valid lives.


I don't think that it's strange at all to remember a life concurrent with another one. There might have been something that you really wanted or to be involved in and the lives just happened to overlap.


I wouldn't worry about it too much.
 
ColourODarkness said:
Are you certain it was the Titanic?? If not perhaps it was another large cruise liner :)
If not, there's always the messy topic of Alternate Universes :laugh:


I've not EXACTLY suffered this problem, but I'm aware of being a soldier in WW1, though I have always been very much drawn to WW2, I may yet come across overlapping lifetimes~
There are many cases where WW1 Veterans live on to fight in WW2, the middle school that I went too was named after one of those people; Nathan Eckstein. Maybe your past life had a similar scenario to Nathan Eckstein.
 
Lights said:
The overlap idea is very interesting. I guess that might explain why I have memories of being in the Russian Revolution. I believe I may have been Stalin as I have had very clear memories of having carried my daughter, Svetlana in my arms when she was perhaps eight or ten. I also think it is a possibility as my facial features are a blend of Lightoller's and Stalin's. There are other very clear memories/dreams of Lenin and others from the Bolsheviks.
Believe me, this makes for some very schizophrenic moments. :confused:
You are not alone I bet.


I remember fighting as a Girl named Diana Devonshire in the English Civil War with my Mother; Christine and Sisters; Tanya an Anya, only me and one of my Sisters; Tanya made it out of the war alive.


It all started in 1642 when I was 10 years old in the riverfronts of Berkshire where my hometown was Savagely invaded by Royalists. Dad; Derek Sacrificed his life to have us girls escape with his boat sailing to Glasgow, I thought nothing but to wish that the King was dead, my mind was simply clouded in vengeance during the war.
 
Lights said:
I believe I may have been Stalin as I have had very clear memories of having carried my daughter, Svetlana in my arms when she was perhaps eight or ten. I also think it is a possibility as my facial features are a blend of Lightoller's and Stalin's. There are other very clear memories/dreams of Lenin and others from the Bolsheviks.
I believe the soul who was Herbert Lightoller is today a man who is in the public light, and that Lightoller’s wife is again his wife today. Both physically resemble the past life personas. This man's activities today, seem to me to be a carry-over from the previous life as Lightoller; while she has a very similar personality as described in the historical literature. She also closely resembles Louise Patten, the granddaughter of the Lightollers, and this is the sort of resemblance you would see in families.


Herbert’s nickname ‘Lights’ is also reflected in this man’s well known nickname today, while her name bears clues to her past life persona as Mrs. Lightoller too, and I therefore do not see this as a meaningless coincidence esp. because this name symbolism/reflection occurs 2x. It is my view that Lightoller does not physically look anything like Stalin, nor do I feel that Stalin and Herbert Lightoller are the same soul.
 
Pastlives that overlap


Owl,


I think I’m Robert Chisholm as I remember the clothing that I saw was 1912ish and I remember that as the ship split apart, I fell through the separated parts. I also remember working on designing many ships and not just White Star Line. That night, I was helping people to get out of cabins and guide them to the lifeboats. I have memories of working late into the night to make sure the design was correct and reading information about which davits would be best for the lifeboats. I also remember seeing myself in the mirror and saw that the man I saw was Robert.


I am not as certain on Erich Wasicky as I remember being a fairly young man when I was hung. I remember that I would do medical experiment on prisoners with no anesthesia. I remember seeing in the mirror also a big man with blonde hair. I remember wanting to see what things would kill a person faster and remember choosing who got to die and who didn’t. I have a memory that as I was being hung that I hear people yelling die.


Deborah,


Sometimes I have flashbacks, some dreams, Robert has been confirmed through an actual regressionist and it was an individual regression.


I have many more memories of Robert than Erich such as I remember my parents name was James and Sophia which was confirmed and my wife’s name was Susan and my children’s names were Jimmy and Alyce. It has been confirmed that Robert was the main designer of the lifeboats. Another thing that was confirmed was that I was born in Scotland, but also lived in England for a while before going to Ireland. I remember my father working with ships also which was confirmed that he was a shipwright.
 
... and yet this man also recalls being Thomas Andrews:


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I don't believe the case of that American boy, who they alluded to was Thomas Andrews, was researched well. It made for good t.v. viewing though, but never mind the truth.
 
firebird said:
I believe the soul who was Herbert Lightoller is today a man who is in the public light, and that Lightoller’s wife is again his wife today. Both physically resemble the past life personas. This man's activities today, seem to me to be a carry-over from the previous life as Lightoller; while she has a very similar personality as described in the historical literature. She also closely resembles Louise Patten, the granddaughter of the Lightollers, and this is the sort of resemblance you would see in families.
Herbert’s nickname ‘Lights’ is also reflected in this man’s well known nickname today, while her name bears clues to her past life persona as Mrs. Lightoller too, and I therefore do not see this as a meaningless coincidence esp. because this name symbolism/reflection occurs 2x. It is my view that Lightoller does not physically look anything like Stalin, nor do I feel that Stalin and Herbert Lightoller are the same soul.
Firebird, do you have references or sources for this, or is this from your own research? Has this person spoken of having memories that could be Lightoller's? Have you spoken to anyone claiming to have been Stalin? I only ask because it is very difficult to go claiming past lives for other people based on little more than physical resemblances and coincidences. Unless there is evidence - past life memories - coming from this person you speak of, there is little evidence to suppose that they were Lightoller in a past life. I'm not saying you're wrong, just that without the memories it is nothing more than speculation.
 
Pastlives that overlap

firebird said:
... and yet this man also recalls being Thomas Andrews:
Hi,


In reference to Bill Barnes which is the person referenced in the youtube link above, I have read his book and listened to the recordings and there are high inconsistencies with him also. I also know the young man that is 20 has inconsistencies also. When I listened to Bill Barnes's latest recording, I base the inconsistencies on what is in Shan Bullock's book and other books that I have read about Thomas Andrews.


From,


Wolfldy
 
wolfldy said:
I also know the young man that is 20 has inconsistencies also. When I listened to Bill Barnes's latest recording, I base the inconsistencies on what is in Shan Bullock's book and other books that I have read about Thomas Andrews.
From,


Wolfldy
I will say that the young man on the TV show never claimed to be Thomas Andrews. He never mentioned a name. His mother and sister came to that conclusion after looking at information about Andrews on the internet. It's possible he could have been someone else connected with the ship. Had the family known more about children's past life memories 15 years ago they could have asked the boy questions such as "What is your name", etc.
 
Hi,


True. Well if he worked for H and W, he may be part of the guarantee group. The guarantee group for those who don't know was 9 men from Harland and Wolff who sailed on the Titanic to make changes and repairs that wouldn't require the ship to be brought back to the yard and was finding ways to improve for the next ship which was originally named Gigantic, but was later changed to Britannic. Don't want to bore all of you to death with everything I remember as Robert and also what I know about the Titanic and Harland and Wolff. I am willing to answer any questions you may have. I have to admit I haven't found any of the guarantee group incarnated at this point, but you never know.
 
I've heard of people having as much as 7 parallel lives. It is hard to understand, I mean, you have to be one or the other when you wake up in the morning. The only way that makes sense to me is dying, then reincarnating backwards into the same historical period, and repeating that pattern x amount of times, so that from this point it appears to be simultaneous lives (but they were in fact happening one after the other).


Another option is that you have the birth/death date wrong on either one of them, maybe the SS officer was someone who worked with the person you mention. Esp. when you say he was younger. That is a clue. He could have been someone else there. Then it would all make sense.


Demi
 
wolfldy said:
I have to admit I haven't found any of the guarantee group incarnated at this point, but you never know.
I have identified 2 - Francis Parkes and Anthony Frost.

helz_belz said:
Firebird, do you have references or sources for this, or is this from your own research? Has this person spoken of having memories that could be Lightoller's? Have you spoken to anyone claiming to have been Stalin? I only ask because it is very difficult to go claiming past lives for other people based on little more than physical resemblances and coincidences. Unless there is evidence - past life memories - coming from this person you speak of, there is little evidence to suppose that they were Lightoller in a past life. I'm not saying you're wrong, just that without the memories it is nothing more than speculation.
There is a difference between what most refer to as “memories” and personal soul experiences. So, your statement “unless there is evidence – past life memories - .... “ assumes incorrectly.


Coincidences and synchronicities, similar activities today or activities today that seem to be a progression from previous life experiences, physical resemblance (i.e. a likeness, not sameness/exactness) astrological and name markers, ID of other soul group members, similar personality traits, past life connections between relevant individuals etc. are all factors that add to the ‘body of evidence’ in all past life cases. I usually look at things like this to form a well considered opinion. Is this speculating? I see this as evidence gathering, which comes after the memory OR intuitive spark. So, no, I don't believe it’s “difficult to go claiming lives for other people” ... ‘memory’ is the ability to sometimes recognise another individual and know who they were previously, and then following through on the hunches (KNOWING) by looking more closely at some of the details to see if there is evidence that supports.


I haven’t met or spoken to anyone claiming to have been Stalin, nor have I seen any evidence of anyone who claims to have been Stalin. But, I do not see the relevance of your question here as there is a lot of historical information about both Stalin and Lightoller that one can look at as it’s freely available. I don’t think I need a 3rd party with memories to help me do this. In all that I have seen, there is nothing that suggests to me that Lightoller and Stalin are the same soul.


I have no real evidence to the contrary, at this point, to suppose that I am wrong.
 
firebird said:
I have no real evidence to the contrary, at this point, to suppose that I am wrong.
Without wishing to threadjack, our fellow forum-member Lights has written about their memories before, memories which they feel are consistent with having been Lightoller, shouldn't these be given consideration in your theory?


In my experience, knowing someone at a soul level involves having known them as a person in their past life. Did you know Lightoller in a past life in order to recognise them now? No matter how much we read or learn about anyone, we can never truly know them as a person. The basic fact is though, that memories are probably the most important thing to consider, first and foremost, when investigating past lives. Ultimately, only the individual can know who they were in a past life, no matter how much others may investigate or speculate with astrology, likeneses, personality traits etc. To go claiming a past life for another when they haven't themselves claimed memories or intuition for that past life is both unhelpful (ie muddying already murky waters), and also disrespectful for the soul(s) concerned, as they are on their own journey and to go claiming a past life for them without their permission is quite intrusive into their soul journey.
 
helz_belz said:
Without wishing to threadjack, our fellow forum-member Lights has written about their memories before, memories which they feel are consistent with having been Lightoller, shouldn't these be given consideration in your theory?
I’ve already provided as many comments as I’m able and willing to - memories require supporting evidence, and I don’t believe Stalin and Lightoller are the same soul as I see no indicators of this. If you need different answers that fall in line with your perceptions/beliefs, then ask someone else.


In my experience, knowing someone at a soul level involves having known them as a person in their past life.


In your experience perhaps, but your experience does not invalidate the experiences of others ... just as my experiences don't invalidate yours.


Many people – myself included - have lived many lives, so there is no telling when we may have crossed paths with other souls. We could be talking about a 50, 500 or 5000 years+ span that occurs b/w interactions. Even indirect connections between souls can be enough to spark a recognition or feeling of familiarity with another – e.g. Z person gives birth to Y, who then gives birth to A, who grows up and becomes a friend of T who marries C who went to school with K .... in a past life you were person K, and in this life you encounter or are drawn to an individual who was person Z, and you may even feel a strong familiarity but just don’t recognise the individual/link. This occurs frequently, but only a few people are able to recognise the link(s) and validate the experience(s).



Did you know Lightoller in a past life in order to recognise them now?


Without a doubt, interactions with another soul in a previous lifetime would help prompt recognition; but you don’t need to have known someone to recognise who they were.





No matter how much we read or learn about anyone, we can never truly know them as a person.


Excuse my bluntness, but this isn’t about knowing a person in totality, like knowing whether they had a nose hair hanging out or not. This is about recognising who someone was in the past (however that recognition comes to us - either as personal memories, intuitive spark, or a synchronous moment etc.), and part of that process sometimes then involves looking at historical records to obtain proof or some solid evidence that supports the recognition, so that we are left with no or little doubt.


The basic fact is though, that memories are probably the most important thing to consider, first and foremost, when investigating past lives.


That really is an opinion, rather than fact. Sometimes memories do not relate to personal soul experience – esp. when the memories relate to famous or well known lives - so any individual with these “memories” should investigate further when this is possible, to avoid reaching the wrong conclusion. (The ID is distinct from understanding the messages held within the so called “memories” experienced, so from this perspective those memories are important, but from an ID perspective memories are not the most important thing imo).


Ultimately, only the individual can know who they were in a past life, no matter how much others may investigate or speculate with astrology, likeneses, personality traits etc.


Ultimately, that may be absolutely true for you. It’s not for me, so your experience cannot invalidate mine. Past life identifying factors such as personality traits, astrological markers, physical likeness, similar activities etc. are factors acknowledged by many to be crucial and useful as supporting evidence (whether memories are present or not). In my experience, those with memories who don’t bother looking for supporting evidence are those who are may incorrectly attribute a memory not related to their own personal soul experience as their own; or they will misidentify themselves (e.g. think they were the king rather than the guard standing behind the king).


To go claiming a past life for another when they haven't themselves claimed memories or intuition for that past life is both unhelpful (ie muddying already murky waters), and also disrespectful for the soul(s) concerned, as they are on their own journey and to go claiming a past life for them without their permission is quite intrusive into their soul journey.


“The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is.” Winston Churchill


“An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it” Mahatma Gandhi
 
Pastlives that overlap


Hi,


Thank you Demi for your interesting post. Something that I learned from some Buddhist friends of mine is that sometimes, souls can shatter and be taken by multiple people. If any of you want to see a fair movie about that concept, watch Little Buddha. I found it interesting, although a bit Hollywoodized.


I'm not a Buddhist per se, but some things very interesting about their thoughts and beliefs about reincarnation. I do wonder if this may explain the sense of PLs overlapping.


From,


Wolfldy
 
Firebird, just so you know, in general, I agree with you. Memories are part of a whole system of things going on with regards to past life research. I agree, we all have personality traits, likes and dislikes, fears and phobias, maybe even physical likenesses that would appear to carry over from our past lives. Even hunches and intuition play their part too. Here it would seem we are in agreement. I too have remembered many lifetimes stretching back many thousands of years, and would have come into contact with many thousands of souls in my time, and have recognised more than a few from various lives past and present. I also try my best to validate whatever I’ve ‘remembered’, memory isn’t perfect within one lifetime, let alone dozens, hundreds, thousands etc. All I feel, and in which we differ, is that unless someone remembers, or has their own intuitions, into their past lives, anything an ‘outside observer’ may say doesn’t have that much bearing on their own experience of who they believe they were, or were not, in a past life.


Respectfully yours, Helz
 
Hi wolfldy and welcome to the forum.


What an interesting story you have. I agree with you the Buddhists have many useful insights to share about all this. They've studied it for many thousands of years after all and have been working things out more than a lot of 'westerners'.


As to the possibility of having 'overlapping' lives, I am much in the same line of thinking as Ann. Time is something we really don't know that much about and new discoveries are at this moment coming to light as to its true nature. I don't discount the possibility that lives might overlap at all.

Ann said:
My feelings on the topic are that where ever we all come from (The afterlife, Heaven, the before, home, choose your favorite.) it's a place outside of time. Many people who have had near death experiences have related seeing people that they knew and were still alive, but much older. Some people on this board have related stories of dying, looking in what they interpreted as a book, and choosing a life in World War II, as an example. Which life came first with regards to history on this world? Who knows? It doesn't really matter. They are both valid lives.
I don't think that it's strange at all to remember a life concurrent with another one. There might have been something that you really wanted or to be involved in and the lives just happened to overlap.


I wouldn't worry about it too much.
However, the discussion about verification of historical details is also all very pertinent and a fascinating subject to explore. It is easy to jump to conclusions about the historical details of what we remember and get the era wrong. It is possible the German life might be a few years after the Titanic easily enough, which would explain the conundrum.


My view, however, is that it's more important to work on what all this means to you rather than puzzling overly on the 'mechanics' of it all. Do you see a connection between these two stories perhaps?


It's up to you to interpret it, but I would think there might be some lingering guilt over the disaster on the Titanic (if you were the engineer after all) and the grizzly, public death in the next life? Sometimes past life memories present themselves in a 'pair' and like dreams, will bear some interpretation as to what our 'subconscious' is trying to tell us.


Just some food for thought.
 
Demi said:
I've heard of people having as much as 7 parallel lives. It is hard to understand, I mean, you have to be one or the other when you wake up in the morning. The only way that makes sense to me is dying, then reincarnating backwards into the same historical period, and repeating that pattern x amount of times, so that from this point it appears to be simultaneous lives (but they were in fact happening one after the other).
Another option is that you have the birth/death date wrong on either one of them, maybe the SS officer was someone who worked with the person you mention. Esp. when you say he was younger. That is a clue. He could have been someone else there. Then it would all make sense.


Demi
Indeed. This would be the simpler explanation, but the universe is a complicated thing... so it's all still gathering data at the moment. We are like explorers in many ways. We need to make our own maps perhaps?
 
wolfldy said:
I will say the memories as Erich Wasicky were very sick. I'm appalled at the memories and emotions that this man held. I even have memories as I was being hung such as the people calling me to die. I mean to kill people in medical experiments without anesthesia is sick beyond words. This life I think it is make up for that life as I do have some significant health problems and had the Nazis won, I would have ended up being killed in some American version of the T-4 extermination program.
Hi Wolfdy,


(BTW, I love your pic and your quote).


Looking through your post again, I understand what you are saying. Possibly experiencing and processing this "dark" character, his wickedness, is a part of your soul challenge? I know its hard as have some dark things too, and I find it sometimes hard to accept that they are real, even if having some verification.


I have a PL experience of being offered to assist with medical experiments at some camp in 1944, just before going to the front. They are trying to lure me into it, telling that I will get promoted if I say yes, and blah blah, but I strongly refuse, I find the very concept way too sick, no excuses.(and I've already have a pending application for front transfer - they said it's NOT gonna be on the front lines - later found out it was B and S, there was just no limit to their cynicism! The Russians were on our A-major.) The commandant of the place made me sick to my stomach. He's acting friendly, saying "what's wrong with you" but there is a feeling he'll shoot me for treachery(maybe just an image in my head, getting paranoid there, gradually going insane.


I so wish I could wipe out those experiences! I sometimes wonder if they are real, or did I "pick something up" from the atmosphere.


There is so much from that time that has to be healed, and anyone who is experiencing it is adding to the purification. This is what a very wise person told me. Just felt I wanted to share.


Demi
 
tanguerra said:
It's up to you to interpret it, but I would think there might be some lingering guilt over the disaster on the Titanic (if you were the engineer after all) and the grizzly, public death in the next life? Sometimes past life memories present themselves in a 'pair' and like dreams, will bear some interpretation as to what our 'subconscious' is trying to tell us.
Thank you for the warm welcome Tanguerra.


Yeah, I admit there is guilt over both. At least from the perspective from this life. I thought I would correct you as I wasn't an engineer, I was the head draughtsman or draftsman on the Titanic. I was on as part of the 9 man team from the ship builder to look for improvements for Titanic's younger sister. This life I am learning to get over the guilt of who I was and hopefully this lifetime I won't be responsible for so many deaths from my actions.
 
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