Past Life memories and the subconscious mind

[John Tat]

There are many out there who claim past life memories are stored in our subconscious minds
The theories of s subconscious mind were promoted by Fraud over 100 year ago
The interesting thing about the theory of a subconscious mind is..., it has never been found or proven to exist
As a result it has never been observed and measured
This is one of these situations where what you believe is true becomes the truth to you and you have many reasons in your mind to back up why you believe there is a subconscious mind
There are many scientists out there who claim the concepts of a subconscious mind are illogical and makes no sense at all
Where are our past life memories stored? it make no sense to me that a new physical brain has within it past incarnation memories of our spiritual selves/souls

 

[Cyrus]

There are many out there who claim past life memories are stored in our subconscious minds
The theories of s subconscious mind were promoted by Fraud over 100 year ago
The interesting thing about the theory of a subconscious mind is..., it has never been found or proven to exist
As a result it has never been observed and measured
This is one of these situations where what you believe is true becomes the truth to you and you have many reasons in your mind to back up why you believe there is a subconscious mind
There are many scientists out there who claim the concepts of a subconscious mind are illogical and makes no sense at all
Where are our past life memories stored? it make no sense to me that a new physical brain has within it past incarnation memories of our spiritual selves/souls

Hi, John:

Does it matter where?

The PL memories are somewhere for sure, and if we (or our hypno-therapist) trick our subconscious well, voilà, here they are, in our conscious.
Maybe our subconscious just controls how those memories get out of the soul (coupled to our physical brain) into our conscious, blocking them most of the time?

I find the subconscious concept very handy. It's quite possible that physically it's not something geometrically well localized somewhere in the physical brain, it may be the result of a well synchronized collaboration of many physical brain cells, dispersed all over the physical brain.

Soul being kind of an external hard storage disk in a kind of a combined supercomputer, huh?

I just don't care.

Regards.

 

[There and back again]

I try to not to bother with modern thinking about things like this because modern mindsets only handle material things and the usual social hell of today rather than what really is in spiritual matters. As for these bodies they are only material while the spirit is eternal, the modern mind only handles things in linear form where there is a starting point and a ending point. Personally I long for the chance of escaping the incarnation cycle of this world.

 

[Cyrus]

I will reincarnate, for sure.

The incarnated life can give joys most unexpectedly.

In spite of all the negativity the material world has - when you perform the summing up, the balance will turn out to be positive - the incarnated life is far more interesting than an eternal boredom in an eventless spiritual environment.

IMHO, of course.

Best regards.

 

[Polaris8]

I will reincarnate, for sure.

The incarnated life can give joys most unexpectedly.

In spite of all the negativity the material world has - when you perform the summing up, the balance will turn out to be positive - the incarnated life is far more interesting than an eternal boredom in an eventless spiritual environment.

IMHO, of course.

Best regards.

Cyrus,

Although I uphold your positive attitude about coming back into the physical world again, however it's too bad your not aware of life on the other side in the higher dimensions. It's anything but boring. In fact the dead are in many ways much more alive than we are. Because once one leaves the physical limitations of the 3rd dimension life even on the middle astral plane allows one far more choices and experiences to have because all earth plane concerns like eating, sleeping, making money or earning a living, protecting ones self from the elements, or even gravity itself all goes away.

The only thing that limits you there is your ability to image and create your world through ones mind and emotions since astral matter is much finer than physical matter so it responds to thought and emotions almost instantly. Which is why there are so many sub divisions just on the astral alone. As souls of like mind and heart are generally grouped together. Your mode of travel is thought itself. No need for a train, boat, or plane to get there. However I guess you could create one in thought if one wishes to and many still do. So if one wishes to visit parts of our physical universe in other galaxies all it takes is a true desire and wish to be there. And you are there. Having had a few conscious OBE's myself over the years this is what I have come to understand. Although at first it's a bit unsettling since we are not accustom to experiencing reality this way since we are working here with a 3rd dimensional consciousness instead of a 4th dimensional state of awareness.

You should try learning to consciously leave your body and explore the inner higher dimensions for yourself. You already do this now while you sleep however most people are not aware of their nightly inner journeys to these higher dimensions when they sleep. And if they do it is usually in bits and pieces. So this reality of consciousness is not made aware of to the soul while incarnated in general until death takes place. And in some cases there are souls that are so earth plane orientated they refuse to believe their dead so they remain earth bound close to the physical plane. Which is not really a good place to be in because they can't communicate with the living since they have lost their bodies and they can't really communicate with the dead either because most reside on a higher dimension they where they are at. So it's a lonely, dark place to be in. But in time they do let go and then transition to a place within the inner worlds where they need to be in.

Love and peace to you...

P.

 

[Cyrus]

Cyrus,

Although I uphold your positive attitude about coming back into the physical world again, however it's too bad your not aware of life on the other side in the higher dimensions. It's anything but boring. In fact the dead are in many ways much more alive than we are. Because once one leaves the physical limitations of the 3rd dimension life even on the middle astral plane allows one far more choices and experiences to have because all earth plane concerns like eating, sleeping, making money or earning a living, protecting ones self from the elements, or even gravity itself all goes away.

The only thing that limits you there is your ability to image and create your world through ones mind and emotions since astral matter is much finer than physical matter so it responds to thought and emotions almost instantly. Which is why there are so many sub divisions just on the astral alone. As souls of like mind and heart are generally grouped together. Your mode of travel is thought itself. No need for a train, boat, or plane to get there. However I guess you could create one in thought if one wishes to and many still do. So if one wishes to visit parts of our physical universe in other galaxies all it takes is a true desire and wish to be there. And you are there. Having had a few conscious OBE's myself over the years this is what I have come to understand. Although at first it's a bit unsettling since we are not accustom to experiencing reality this way since we are working here with a 3rd dimensional consciousness instead of a 4th dimensional state of awareness.

You should try learning to consciously leave your body and explore the inner higher dimensions for yourself. You already do this now while you sleep however most people are not aware of their nightly inner journeys to these higher dimensions when they sleep. And if they do it is usually in bits and pieces. So this reality of consciousness is not made aware of to the soul while incarnated in general until death takes place. And in some cases there are souls that are so earth plane orientated they refuse to believe their dead so they remain earth bound close to the physical plane. Which is not really a good place to be in because they can't communicate with the living since they have lost their bodies and they can't really communicate with the dead either because most reside on a higher dimension they where they are at. So it's a lonely, dark place to be in. But in time they do let go and then transition to a place within the inner worlds where they need to be in.

Love and peace to you...

P.

Hi, Polaris8.

I thank you for your concern, but I'm afraid it's just not my cup of coffee.

OBE? How ironic. Looks like a joke.

I have tremendous problems just to trick my subconscious (with the help of some self-hypnosis video clips from youtube) into disclosing some extra tiny pieces of my PL memories, from time to time, to peep into what I've already discovered of my PL, and to know a little more.

It's a continuous battle with my subconscious, with scarse results. Maybe I'd better leave it off as a bad job.

Maybe it's because my PL was so short that I feel I must compensate for it's interruption, or smth. else - I don't know.

Somebody warned me not so long ago, not to open this Pandora box. I should have followed his advice.

IMHO.

Regards.

 

[Polaris8]

Hi, Polaris8.

I thank you for your concern, but I'm afraid it's just not my cup of coffee.

OBE? How ironic. Looks like a joke.

I have tremendous problems just to trick my subconscious (with the help of some self-hypnosis video clips from youtube) into disclosing some extra tiny pieces of my PL memories, from time to time, to peep into what I've already discovered of my PL, and to know a little more.

It's a continuous battle with my subconscious, with scarse results. Maybe I'd better leave it off as a bad job.

Maybe it's because my PL was so short that I feel I must compensate for it's interruption, or smth. else - I don't know.

Somebody warned me not so long ago, not to open this Pandora box. I should have followed his advice.

IMHO.

Regards.

Cyrus,

I understand and can respect that. The only way one will know for sure is to learn conscious out of the body travel while incarnated. However this is not a easy thing to learn and it takes many, many times of failure trying before one can achieves it. It can be learn but for the western mind set its very hard to do since we want instance results. We are not a culture that is about having patience with looking within oneself. Eastern cultures are far more successful with this in general. After I had my NDE many years ago I started having on again off again OBE's. However for me my usual trigger is having a lucid dream. Once I am aware that I'm dreaming I can shift my awareness to have a full conscious OBE. The first few times it was a bit unsettling as one is not used to seeing yourself from another point of view outside of the body. Plus you are seeing yourself in 3d which is not the same as seeing yourself in the mirror. Also learning to navigate takes some time learning how to do as one must learn to control your thoughts so you can move about as the astral body is not bound to gravity as the physical is.

But once you get the basics down its such a freeing wonder experiences. It's so hard to describe because one feels more alive and connected to everything around you. There is a good book to read called Adventures Beyond the Body: How to Experience Out-of-Body Travel by William Buhlman. He is trained out-of-body travelers in his workshop for more than a decade, teaching people how to project their consciousness outside the limits of their physical bodies and to explore dimensions and worlds beyond everyday life. He explains it far better than I can.

In Any case sorry its not your cup of expresso my friend But you sound like you have a strong mind set which for learning this is a good thing. Because William was just like you in the beginning until he proved it for himself. After many, many failed tries of leaving the body he finally did it. And he has not been the same since.

Best Regards and happy travels..

P.

 

[John Tat]

As I have said many times on the forum I trust what I John Tat has experience and is the source of most of my knowledge/beliefs about my pure spiritual self "BB" and reincarnation... I trust what I have experienced ... not what is written about these things
When it comes to current memories of this physical life and previous incarnation memories of our spiritual selves/souls ... for me they are very different... I experience one in this physical life... I experience the others while mediating with my pure spiritual self.. they are not one and the same as in which entity experienced them they are separate

Through my experiences of I no belief at all in a subconscious mind

Our brains do have long term memory .. they also have what I call instinctive memory bought about by our experiences since birth.. We also have repetitive memory which is why we can do things like drive to work without thinking to much about it .. nothing to do with a theoretical subconscious mind
In almost all instances all our brains need is a trigger to remember

A good example of a trigger....five or six years ago I went to a market ... I was looking around and came across a stall that had old toys for sale... I was looking through them and there right in front of me was a toy car exactly the same as I got for my fifth birthday...a memory long gone and forgotten about... I picked the car up and handled it.. played with it and of course purchased it...The toy car triggered memories of not only been giving the car by my parents but also my fifth birthday experiences with my brother, sister and parents Memories long gone and forgotten about were still there stored in my brains long term memories and all that was needed was a trigger to remember them..

Previous incarnation feelings without memory happens all of the time even though most have no idea it's happening They are very brief connections to our spiritual selves/souls without memory bought about by things like locations, experiences and objects

An example... I went to an antique shop to have a look around and came across a green tinted glass vase with a very distinctive pattern on it.. I immediately knew I had seen it before.. I picked it up handled it and even kissed it trying to trigger a memory.. but there was nothing there... no memory at all.. Later I understood it was not me John Tat who had a connection to the vase it was my pure spiritual self.. one of his memories that was the connection.. If it was connected to me John Tat just like the car it would have triggered a memory for me but as I said the vase had no connections to me John Tat

IMO there is very real confusion between the theoretical subconscious mind and our spiritual selves/soul ... If those who believe through hypnosis they are gaining access to there theoretical subconscious minds and previous incarnation memories understood they were actually contacting there spiritual selves/souls where all of there previous incarnation memories are there results would be much better

Just like the glass vase there are countless times our spiritual selves/souls through there vast experiences and knowledge have an impact on us without us knowing it... That is were the confusion happens between the theoretical subconscious and our spiritual selves/souls.. The trouble is try telling a scientist that