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"Over There"

vanhalen50one50

vanhalen50one50

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Ok, So I was just listening to Roger Woolger's "Healing Your Past Lives" Cd, and I actually had a memory! :)

He started out telling to go to countries or areas that interest you or that you are drawn to, and I first went to Germany and then some other countries and then I was pulled with the thought repeating in my head "Over There" (to the west, in the ocean) Instantly I knew I was 26 or 27 (In this life I have always thought I might die around that age). I was drowning in an ocean or big body of water (I think ocean,) it was night and I remember the moon being so bright! It was just so bright, and it was a full moon! I remember thinking "No one is coming, I don't deserve help, How could they betray me, I don't need help!" And the water was so cold!!!

Then I was told to go to a happy time (by Roger Woolger) and I was reluctant to go, but ended up in a street and I knew it was in the 1800's. I was walking in a street, I saw a horse drawn carriage, I was drawn to the Horse and the carriage, and for a second I was in one.

I went back to the ocean, even though I was supposed to stay in the "Happy place" and then I was told to go to my death, I saw myself drowning even more, and then stop moving all together. (this was observed from above)

Well thats it for now, I guess.
VanH.
 
Hi vanhalen.

Your excitement over remembering seeps through your post. :) Thank you for sharing it with us.

That CD has been a good one for one of my close friends. I'm glad it worked for you. I had only vague impressions using it but it was still a good exploration.

In regards to your regression, finding yourself back over the ocean in observer perspective is interesting to me, as well as your reluctance to leave that scene for a happier one. Do you have any idea what the reasoning behind your reluctance was?
 
Hi Chansa,

I was upset about how "they" could leave me, and then I would tell myself "I don't need their help" Even when I was in the happier scene I kept thinking "Oh my god I'm drowning, DROWNING!" over and over again. But other than that I really can't think of any thing that would explain the reluctance.

I remembered a couple details I left out earlier...
I think I was wearing brown trousers and a white tunic (not sure about the tunic.)
And I did realize (in the regression) that this was not Titanic related, no one else was in the water, and there was nothing I could grab on to, to save myself.

Sincerely,
VanH.
 
I tried a second regression and I couldn't meditate very well, my birds squawked the entire time (it was like a squawk here and then one there.) And by the time I was half-way meditating and I was seeing my death again, I still held on when I was instructed to come out of it, but then I ended up coming out. Wow how time flies when your meditating! I saw the same images and I realized that my white tunic (yes I found that out) had brown buttons on it. I felt like I was missing a brown hat. When in the street again I looked down and saw I had brown shoes. The street was either dirt or cobblestoned. I was stressing out because I couldn't tell what it was.

I want to see pictures of what the clothes he was wearing, to see if the time frame is right. I think he might be on the poor side
 
That is amazing. I am so glad that you've such great results. I'm looking forward to any new memories that you have. :thumbsup:
 
Have you tried again VanH.?

I am curious to know if you've gotten anything more about the aforementioned lives :)


Ailish
 
Ok, so last night I tried to use to the cd again, but when he said to travel the world I was drawn the the spot I was last time and Siberia, Well I was very stubborn : angel and I ended up going to the ocean again. I was drowning again, but it only lasted for a few seconds, then I went to the street again (and saw what the street looked like, but forgot later, this also lasted but a few seconds.) Then I went to a white room (it was like bright white light it was very strange to me) and I saw myself from this life and myself from that life looking at each other. I'm average height and when I was walking in the street I was average height then too, well in this bright room he was much much taller than I. When he (Dr. Woolger) said to go to a happier place I saw the back of my eyelids, so I ended up turning it off and going to bed. I then remember having a dream of me (from that life?) pushing a man and then pushing another into a wall (ok, my cat was sleeping on my pillow next to my head and she was probably an inch from the wall, and well... I kind of pushed her into the wall, but not very hard, and I then was half awake, so I hugged her and said I was sorry but then she was not very happy, but she gets over her bad moods pretty fast so this morning she was back next to my head purring... Wow I have rambled on about my cat haven't I?)
 
vanhalen50one50 said:
Then I went to a white room (it was like bright white light it was very strange to me) and I saw myself from this life and myself from that life looking at each other.
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That's interesting VanH, I had exactly the same experience myself a while ago.

Thanks for sharing your memories..:thumbsup:
 
I would just like to add something I forgot...
I couldn't see either face, I could see it was me but I just couldn't see anything that could help identify me in that life. I (we?) didn't exchange words or thoughts we just stared at each other and I was not in my body from this life I was watching and the room was spinning slowly so I was observing from many positions.
 
Hi VanH !

Is there anything more you 'know' about this event or this life? The West you said - what Ocean was it you drowned in? Have you any idea how you landed in the water? Swimming too far off shore? Fell or pushed from a boat/ship? Sinking of a ship? Do you feel you were German? Where does Siberia come in?

I would like to know if you have a feeling of any possible answers.

Interesting regressions !

Eevee
 
I do not know what ocean it is (I just had a feeling it was west when I regressed) but I do have a feeling that it was the Pacific off the shore of California. I think I was American but I had a small feeling I was an immigrant (I had been thinking about immigrants earlier so I don't think that is right.) I think I was pushed off a boat, this was no accident.
Siberia and Germany, probably, are different lifetimes, I think I was more American than anything. I don't know why Siberia came into play, but it was when Roger Woolger said to go around the world to as many countries that interest you. I have always had no interest in either California or Siberia, but I have had a great interest in Germany.
 
This morning, I had a strong urge to try it again tonight or soon and not go to that life but follow where ever my soul takes me, so I will try to meditate w/o the help of the cd this time, but if I, myself, cannot find anything, I'm pulling out my mp3 player! :laugh:

Sincerely,
VanH.
 
I'm actually thinking about doing it tonight, I had to many thoughts last night to even think about it... :laugh: . I will let you know as soon as I do.
VanH.
 
Ok.... I fell asleep before I got a chance to regress, so instead I did it this morning and I will start a new thread so I don't get OT.
VanH.
 
I just tried again, the cd got a little annoying so I turned it off. I was trying to ask him his name (I was again in the "white light room" staring at him) I got nothing. I will try again later this week maybe, so maybe I will get something. :)
 
You will get there VanH. Just keep with it and don't get cross. That does not help. I get the feeling you are having trouble getting your conscious mind to 'butt out'. This is not usually something most people have practised, so it is hardly unusual.

Try sitting quietly first. Do some 'pre-relaxation' away from any distractions like TV and such for five minutes or so. Just sit quietly or go for a walk and let your mind chatter away about whatever it likes. No problem. No pressure. Just let it clear out a bit of the daily clutter in a natural way. I find it useful to light a candle and some incense and put on some soft music to trigger myself into that 'mood', to signal to my brain that it is time to start shutting down from 'normal' reality and now we are going to do 'something else'. Having a ritual of this nature can be very helpful the more you do it.

Once you are ready and you have done some gentle breathing and are feeling very calm give your mind something to do to keep it occupied on the task at hand (that is really what the tapes are doing). Try counting down backwards from 20 to keep your mind from wandering off on some other tangent, or imagining sailing backwards through time on a boat, walking down a long corridor looking for a certain doorway - whatever appeals to you. You will know when you are 'there'. You will feel it. You know what that feels like now from your work with the tapes. If your mind wanders off, just gently bring it back to your image take a couple of breaths and carry on unperturbed.

Once you are in the 'zone' rather than just direct your soul to aimlessly 'wander' try to deliberately visualise a bit of information you have already - like the experience in the sea for instance. Conjure it up as vividly as you can :
"No one is coming, I don't deserve help, How could they betray me, I don't need help!" And the water was so cold!!!.
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That should be a powerful enough experience to get you started! To get out of your head and into your emotions (usually a much stronger source of stored memory) try putting your hands on your heart or stomach and just let that feeling wash over you and through you for a moment or two (without getting too distressed to focus!).

Look around you, get it as clear as you can. What can you see? Don't get upset with yourself if it is bit fuzzy - that's all OK you are not an expert at this yet. If you can't see anything what do you sense around you? What can you hear? What are you wearing? Sometimes the information you get might be strongly visual, sometimes it is thoughts, words, feelings and emotions. Sometimes you just 'know' something without words.

Don't dismiss the first thing that comes to mind because you might have been reading about it earlier in the day or seen it in a film. There are no accidents and anyway it doesn't matter at first that everything is 110% historically accurate. That's alright. Don't get distracted. Stay with it and watch what happens with an element of detachment from your intellectual mind. Just 'be' there in the scene without effort. Gradually more details will fill themselves in if you let them. Don't expect full technicolour like in the movies. Sometimes it is a bit vague. That's alright. Some bits are brighter and sharper than others - just like normal memories.

Then try to do a 'rewind' to a scene not long before that. You know what happened, just ask your subconscious to take you there. Then ask to go to another scene or get an explanation of what happened. It might jump around a bit, not be in a nice smooth orderly pattern. It is exactly as you would do if you met someone and you knew their face but were trying to place where you knew them from. You would go back through your memory 'databanks' looking for a match for the first time you met them then you would try to get their name and any other details. It is exactly the same mental process, just a bit more subtle and difficult.
 
Thank you for the tips Tanguerra! I will try that next time, I think I might also boil some Chammomile tea as that seems to calm me down some. Again thank you for the advice,
Sincerely,
VanH.
 
I remembered from last night that I did have brown shoes, brown pants, white shirt, and brown hat. I am pretty sure I had brown hair too. The street was made of bricks (reddish brown ones) (a lot of brown in this life :laugh: ) Another thing I forgot to mention, though, was that I thought his name might be Michael, but I didn't think that was right so I pushed it out of my head, but it might be worth mentioning now.

VanH.
 
Very good. You are getting the hang of it.

Just 'pretend' his name is Michael for now. You may find out later that was his nick name, last name, brother's name, the name of the street where he lives, his alias or his real name. It is unimportant - you can just think of him as 'Michael' for the moment while you explore the rest of his story. Let the images come without criticism for the moment. Gradually they will get sharper and more detailed.
 
I haven't had a chance to regress yet, but I have a feeling his surname might be Mahoney, Mahony, or Mahonee, or something similar. Its just a feeling, so nothing confirmed yet. I did try searching for him through several databases but no luck, they are all either too young, too old, not in the right state, or how he died is wrong, mostly a combination of those.
 
Good work VanH. Michael Mahoney would make sense - that would make him of Irish Catholic background and it would be a fairly common name. Is this all happening in the US do you think or ...?

While wanting very much to encourage you in your endeavours, might I suggest humbly that you are still using a very analytical intellectual 'mind' centred approach to all this, where perhaps a more 'soul' oriented approach might be a good thing? If you 'have a feeling' that's good! That is the soul doing its work. You will get better at 'feeling' if things seem right and tell your mind to pipe down!

In my personal opinion the point of doing regression work is not to get facts which you can then google to prove how clever you are at remembering things. This Mike Mahoney may or may not have left any trace that can be found on the internet or even paper records anyway. Michael might be an alias, or a nickname, or his middle name which he used because he did not like being called 'Clive' or goodness knows what else. Even if you do find some trace of him on record somewhere - then what? What will you have learned?

Doing these 'verifications' can be very interesting and some people have turned up some exciting stuff, but I would not make that the main focus of the exercise. I would be getting the rest of the story first and doing the 'verification' at some later date, just for 'fun' and for interest, as an after thought.

I know only the first name of only two of my former incarnations and one I can't spell and none of them would have left any trace in any records most likely, but I really don't care. I know a lot about them what happened to them though. I know what they cared about, who they loved, how they died, what made them happy, what they learned....

The point of doing regression work, in my view, is to discover personal issues, habits, repetitive behaviours, reasons why relationships might go well or badly with various people which might otherwise be a bit mysterious. Its value is in learning to understand what your talents, strengths, weaknesses, vices and virtues are, to notice mistakes you have made in the past so that you can learn from them and stop repeating them into the future. Matters which are important to the immortal soul are love, wisdom, beauty, courage and compassion. These are the areas in which the soul wishes to develop. Googling for bits of data is a bit irrelevant to the immortal soul, although it can be entertaining to the mind of course.

Shoes are a very serious matter of course (especially red stilettos which I am wearing today as it's Friday) but hardly probably what was uppermost in your mind when you stood in that street all those years ago having misplaced your brown hat. I am much more interested in what 'Michael' was up to in his brown shoes. Why was he there? What was he thinking? How did he feel? What brought him there? What happened next? That's what excites me. That's what I want to know. I wait with anticipation for the next installment and I still want to know what happened to the guy in the water!
 
Tanguerra, your right. I have been taking the wrong approach to this. Thank you for pointing this out to me, :D I realize now that I need to learn to better myself instead of something for entertainment. Again, thank you for your help and kind words. :)

I will post any new updates when they happen.
 
Nothing wrong with entertainment VanH.

I just think you would get better results this way really. I think you are 'getting in your own way' and so blocking yourself from some insights that might flow more easily if you just used a bit more 'intuition' and a bit less analysis.

Good luck with it. Can't wait to hear how you get on.
 
new developments

Hey guys, I just meditated for the first time w/o the cd. I got a snippet from this life. I started out in a room full of white light, I sensed that there was the Council around me but I couldn't see them. Then I turned into a ball of blue light. I then went back to my death, I saw myself being thrown off a large boat. I apparently wasn't supposed to be on that boat, it was for the rich only. Me being poor and the lover to the wife of a very rich and very powerful man probably didn't help much : angel. I saw myself being thrown off the boat by two very large muscular and also very ugly men :laugh: about 3 times (its like i was watching a movie, I would watch the scene and rewind and let it play.) I do get the feeling that her husband somehow found out about his wife's affair : angel : angel : angel . I get the feeling that she and I were very much in love.
Thats all for now,
VanH.

edit... forgot to mention that the man and his wife were also on the boat. I was there to... "see her" : angel
 
Wowee! There you go. It does work. Hooray! Now I know how that guy ended up in the water! He must have been hanging out with a very rough/dangerous crowd. Getting a 'between life' situation is also quite rare, as far as I know. Excellent result VanH. No wonder you were thinking you 'deserved it' and that they weren't going to come and rescue you.

I often get that 'repeat/rewind' thing. It seems to occur with the very graphic bits (thanks subconscious, really needed that!) or else the really significant or important bits - like one's eyes meeting someone's the first time you met - that sort of thing.
 
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