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jen

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hi all.

this has happened a number of times within the past year. my daughter, who is now 3, has woken into what develops into a very fearful state. we share a bed, so i have been very close to her physically each time. thanks to the moon or a reading light, it has always been light enough for us to see clearly. anyways, in each instance, she would wake and call for "mom" in a rather calm voice. i would respond telling her i was right there. but when she looked at me, she would become more distressed and call again for "mom". i would reassure her, but by this time, she would be very upset (crying/scared), pulling away from my reach and saying "NO! *my* mommy!"; as if i were a stranger in her bed. she truly did not recognize me. the fear in her eyes brought tears to mine. in each instance, i had to physically pull her (with some force as she was doing her best to stay away from me) into my breast. (i was afraid to let it go further, i can't tell you how fearful she was). it was not until she was close in nursing that i felt her muscles and fears finally relax into this reality. once again i was her mom.

to my knowledge, she has never had any nightmares. and this was different to begin with; for instead of becoming more calm as she came to touch with her surroundings and myself, she became increasingly more upset. if it happens again, i hope to have the opportunity to ask her about it after she relaxes a while.

is she perhaps not coming completely out of a very vivid dream/rememberance? has this ever happened to anyone else?

peace to all.
jen
 
Actually...

My middle child would pull away from me when she was nursing and just start screaming. She'd look at me like *who the h-e-double hockey sticks are you???*. I ended up weaning her when she was only 5 months old, but i was able to nurse my other children for much much longer.

I'm convinced she was a black woman in her last life and has had some trouble adjusting to being white (well, kind of olive... I'm a Latina) this time. There are a few clues i have had along the way... she still wants black baby dolls instead of white ones! (Just a disclaimer here... I am very multicultural and I think it's great that I have the honor of raising this soul... if anything, I think she was a little upset about it at first)

AS an astrologer, I'm always looking for clues, specifically where Pluto and Saturn fall in the natal chart. Her Pluto falls in her eleventh house, which can signify someone who identified too much with a group or had trouble with a group in a past life. I think she may be here this time to learn that people are people, and color is only incidental. If you tell me your daughter's birthdate, place, and time I can tell you where her Pluto lies.

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Be Blessed

Moonbeam

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Hi Jen,

My son has also done this a couple of times. He was in this in between sleep and awake state and just freaked out and there was NOTHING I could do to calm him down. If I tried to nurse him he just got more upset and like you mentioned, the more aware he became the more upset he got. The screaming and crying lasted about an hour and a half and he finally went back to sleep (probably from exhaustion).

It was very confusing for me too because I have a very close relationship with my son, he sleeps in our bed, and when he's upset I can always find some way to calm him down.

Have you heard of night terrors? From what I understand, they are like nightmares in the in between sleep and awake state. Maybe someone can clear that up and explain why they happen.

Moonbeam, it never even occurred to me that a baby might have a hard time adjusting to being a different race. I guess there are a lot of adjustments one has to make in each incarnation.

Have a good day,

Shari
 
Hi Shari

Well, I think in my daughter's case, she may have died violently at the hands of white people or with a very strong sense of 'us versus them'. The woman I deamed of before my daughter was born was an island dweller, a medicine woman of some kind. Maybe from the Caribbean or Gullah Gullah. Ever read Mama Day (AWESOME BOOK!!!)? Kind of like her. I think it is possible that if you die hating a group of people, you might end up among them the next time! God has such a sense of humor, doesn't he?

PS... Let me tell you, growing up in the South, I have had to put up with a LOT of prejudice! For being Hispanic, for being Catholic... It's getting better, but I still come up against it from time to time.

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Be Blessed

Moonbeam

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Shariad mentioned in an above post about people having to make "a lot of adjustments."
I think one adjustment that we ALL have to make, and for some it is more difficult than others, is the adjustment/readjustment to being in a body. I think that to go from a noncorporeal existence to a very material, non-floating-around environment can be a *shock* to some individuals. It's a theory I've had for a while---it helps explain to me why some babies cry and cry and cry for no apparent reason.

Peace,
DJ
 
Oh, I REALLY believe if you die hating an ethnic or religious group, you may well come back in your next life born into that group! In fact, I think Ian Stevenson had cases of children, who were soldiers in their previous life, being born "on the enemy side" in this lifetime.

Sunday
 
Sunday,

That makes perfect sense to me! Hey, that reminds me of that cheesy old song, One Tin Soldier... That was one of my favorites growing up! Eventually, every soul must learn the only real treasure is peace.

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Be Blessed

Moonbeam
 
I totally agree that if you hate a group of people in one life you just might come back and be in that group. I never thought about having to adjust to your body, but that makes perfect sense.

My husband is half Hispanic and half White and looks Middle Eastern. Well, I'm as White as they come and living in Texas we've gotten some looks. It just amazed me!

Peace,

Shariad
 
I don't know if I necessarily agree with the theory if one hates a particular group of people in this life that he will come back as a part of that group in the next, as if some sort of punishment. First of all, one would have to agree that being born as a member of a particular group would be a punishment. That in and of itself smacks of racism or other "isms". In addition one might hate a group of people that were well off and happy in life and if he returned as such, where would the lesson pertaining to hatred be? Also, children tend to "forget" these experiences so what would one have learned? In the case of being tormented by a particular race, religion, social class, etc., what would be the point of returning to the physical realm as a member of that group? In addition, it is said by some theorists that "karma" is a good way to keep the poor of India, for example, from being able to "better" themselves simply because it has been ordained that they maintain the position in life to which they were born as a result of their past sins. How convenient if one is rich or a politician to absolve himself of any responsibility toward others if he believes "God" ordained his "high" place in life, and in addition, provide a vehicle with which to deny others the possibility of enjoying this one! I just personally think that it is more complex than that because in addition, human law gets involved. I also believe that there are scientific laws at work here as well, such as physics, etc. I think it's good we throw all of our ideas into the mix, and my thoughts are simply a result of my particular perceptions, education, and experiences.
 
Hello
I'm new to this forum and enjoying it
Like Jen and Moonbeam, my daughter would wake up in terror. All I could do was hold her until she fell back to sleep, i tried nursing, turning on the light, talking to her, etc. She only did it a few times, mostly as an infant. It really freaked me out and I spoke to my parents about it. They said "It happens sometimes". So i figured that either I or my brothers had also done this. I felt so helpless I can only imagine how my daughter felt!!!
 
Moonbeam

I was wondering if you would mind telling me a little about my daughter. She was born in Fayetteville Arkansas on 8-18-96 at 1:30 PM.I would greatly appreciate it!
 
Mary, it's not a case of being punished if you are born into an ethnic or religious group you hated in a past life...it is a lesson in empathy...and love. You will hopefully grow to understand what it is like to be a member of that group, and to see that people are people period. Some people use "karma" to justify prejudice and discrimination just as they use skin color or religion or whatever...they just twist ideas around to suit themselves. And while one may not remember the lesson one is learning in prejudice while living the life, when one returns to the spirit world one remembers the lessons, and realizes if the lessons were learned or not. The current life amnesia is intended to keep the lesson from being learned too easily. You have to work at spiritual things in life to get ahead spiritually, just as you have to work at a job to get ahead career-wise.

Well, that's what I believe. And I think it's good the forum is getting a lot of new people this week with a lot of diverse ideas. Integration--be it of race or thoughts--is a good thing in my opinion.

Sunday

P.S. Moonbeam, oh I loved "One Tin Soldier" as a kid, and still do today...which is not something I can say about all the songs I liked as a kid!
 
Moonbeam, I rmember visiting Tennesse when I was a teenager, (and still Catholic) and being asked by some of my Aunt's neices what Catholic was.
 
Hi Galadriel

Hee hee... yup, that's how it is down here. My daughter's best friend believes that Catholicism is a "modern day cult".... I guess because they hold Mary in high esteem and have the "Hail Mary" prayer. Catholicism is a lot of things, but it is NOT modern and by definition can not be a 'cult'. My husband's family thinks my family is 'bad' because we were Catholic (and some still are). But we were Catholic because we are Spanish! What it comes down to is ethnic and cultural differences that lead to fear... it's very sad, and one of the reasons i don't affiliate myself with any church. My experience has been that eventually, it comes down to 'us' and 'them'.
A lot of us down here converted because being Catholic is looked down on. The Catholic churches have a higher percentage of members who have moved down from the North than members among Florida natives. They don't know about the "us" and "them" thing yet. They are usually pretty shocked when they find out ministers are preaching the evils of Catholicism down the street!

Someone (Hi Mary, and welcome!)mentioned the caste system in which people are oppressed through beliefs of reincarnation, which is another example of how religion is misused. I kind of like to think that most religions have a little piece of the truth but they end up getting it all screwed up with dogma!

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Be Blessed

Moonbeam

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Mary,

I agree with Sunday that you're not born into the group that you hated in your last life as some form of punishment, but instead to learn about love, compassion, forgiveness, etc... I think some souls might choose this path, but others might not, it's just one of the many paths out there. Every soul is unique with it's own set of circumstances, and each one has it's own way of learning and being. I think we just came up with a "what if" type senario. In my opinion, karma is only a mental tendancy toward a particular set of circumstances and is not something that is written in stone. I also believe that we as induviduals play a huge role in determining what "happens" to us, consciously and subconsciously. Just my two cents.

Peace,

Shariad

p.s. I agree that it's great that we can all share our own points of view here peacefully. How boring would it be if we were all the same?
 
Shariad, it would be REALLY boring if we were all the same and all thought the same in this forum!

Moonbeam, they are prejudice against Catholics in Florida??? I never heard anything against Catholics until I went to school up North for a year!

Sunday
 
To Jen and Moonbeam,

I also share this experience of rejection by
a child calling for another mother. My oldest
son did this when he was eighteen months old.

In his case, he started having bad dreams
and would wake up crying for his "O-ma". I
later found out it was Asian for nurse or
mother. When I tried to comfort him and tell
him I was there, he pushed me away.

It didn't happen often but lasted long enough
that he eventually was able to tell me he
meant his "other mother". After his face with
a cool cloth, I invited him to tell me about
her. The story spilled out and BOY did that
explain some eccentricities,like hoarding
food. There is nothing quite like finding a
melted grape popsicle in a child's underwear
drawer.

Kat
 
Hi Kat,
Oma or omi is also the short for Großmutter - Grandmother - in German or in Idiche, turning this discussion back to race. German or Jew?!
I hope it is Asian! Shalon,
Claudia
 
Dear Sunday,
Thanks for putting my thoughts into words. I believe that if you hate an entire culture it is very likely that one day you will be born to that culture. I consider it sort of a 'walk in another's mocassins". The idea isn't punishment as much as it is to see the world from another perspective. To stand on the side of a cliff and look across the ocean Earth is a massive structure, to see it from the Moon it looks a lot different.
Dear Kat, I hope he's Asian too.
catseye
 
Hi Claudia,
I didn't recognize the word "oma" at the time and I was raised by my grandparents who were Orthodox Jews from the time I was just a toddler until I was eleven years old. They only spoke Yiddish and Hebrew at home, Yiddish and German at temple (synagogue), and my grandmother would speak German when we went into the city to shop. She refused to speak English although she did understand at least some English.
Anyway, when I asked about, I learned what it meant which fit with the story he told me. The most amazing incident occurred when he was about 2 and a half. I took him to watch the fireworks in the town where my folks lived. When the first volley of fireworks went off in the sky, he leapt to his feet. As the sound died away, he pointed and shouted excitedly. It sounded like gibberish to me.
Not to the Chinese family sitting in front of us. They turned around to look at him, this blond, blue-eyed toddler and their mouths dropped open. The woman looked at me and asked, "Do you know what he said?" I said I didn't.
"Its Mandarin Chinese. It means 'fire flowers in the sky'. He spoke 'High Madarin'," she said. I do know there is absolutely no way he could have learned the language or even just that one phrase.
The story he told me about when he was bigger and which I later researched suggests he died in 1949 during the 'Peoples Rebellion' in China.
What fascinates me about it is that he knew I had not been there at the time. I know I had not been there either. I wonder, if a child expects a parent to also 'remember when I was bigger', it is because the child remembers the parent having been there too.
In that fashion, the child is a window to a parent's own past life.
To Catseye, Although he doesn't remember these incidents himself as most children do not, he does believe that he was. He decided very suddenly back then that he didn't like cheese after being such a big cheese lover, we used to call him 'little mouse'. He has not eaten cheese since. If he suddenly hated rice or loved rice, I could rationalize it but cheese? Kat
 
Kat,
Your post about your son is really intriguing. It reminds me of a newsgroups post a while back. Someone posted that he had dreams or visions being a monk at a temple in China since young age. He remembered reading aloud the buddhism scripture in the temple. When in college, he decided to take Chinese course and found himself very familiar with the language and picked up the language like reviewing something he knew before.

How old is he now? Can he still be able pop up a few Chinese?

Are you sure the pronunciation is o-ma, not something like a-ma, a-mu, or a-mo? I'm Chinese. If you're sure about the pronunciation, I may be able find out what exactly it means from friends from Northern China. What the incident you described, he would be from Northern China.

>"Its Mandarin Chinese. It means 'fire
>flowers in the sky'. He spoke 'High
>Madarin'," she said. I do know there is

What do they mean by "High Mandarin?" Northern Mandarin? accurate Mandarin? or Peijing Mandarin?

>not, he does believe that he was. He
>decided very suddenly back then that he
>didn't like cheese after being such a big
>cheese lover, we used to call him 'little
>mouse'. He has not eaten cheese since.

What made him to make the change? Just conciouisly decide not to eat cheese? When I first came to US, I couldn't bear the smell and taste of cheese. I couldn't understand why people can eat it directly. Now, I love cheese too.


Regards,


cpliu
 
Ni Hao cpliu,

Your letter really struck me as odd. As a moderator, I get these messages sent to me on a daily basis (or when ever they come in), and I couldn't understand what you were talking about. Now I see that you were talking about (too) Kateet. Unfortunantely, she hasn't been on the forum in ages, and no one's heard much/anything from her since. It's all been very strange.

Your letter struck me as odd because most people call me Kat (or some variation of), and last semester I took a university course in Mandarin. I enjoyed it quite a bit, but unfortunantely due to small registration numbers, the course (the continuation that is) was not offered again this semester.

Wo bu shi haizi (which is also a part of your letter), but I have always loved Zhongguo (China). Sorry about the tones, I tried to put them in but they just came in as blocks. Wo shi xuesheng Jianadaren.

Well, I must be off. xiexie cpliu, Zaijian!
 
Kathy,
Sorry for the confusion. I used Kat since Kateet signed "Kat" in the end of her message. I'm a new member and gradually reading all the new and old messages. Too bad that I won't get any answers from her.

It amazes me that some small children utter a few sentences in another European language (e.g., French) without learning it from someone. It amazes me even more when an "blond, blue-eyed kid" uttered a perfect Chinese sentence. This would prove further on the possibility of reincarnation since people can attribute the formal situation to genetic memory.

I would like to verify the pronunciation of o-ma so I can try to verify where this kid was born and when he was born (in his past life). There are many dialects in Chinese. Different dialects or regions may call mother differently. For example, most Chinese call mother "ma-ma" with variations in pitches (tones). Some region may call "a-mo", "a-mu". If you were born in the earlier half of the century, you may use "nian" as mother. o-ma does not ring any bell to me. It could be just a way to call an older lady (in respect) by putting her last name in front of "ma". It could be a breast feeding mom (do you guys call it nursing mom?). Richer family can afford to have another woman to breast feeding new borns. They're usually called "nai-ma". Maybe to show respect or a nickname, she was called o-ma. Children could have more bonding with their breast-feeding mom than their real mom.

Enough of Chinese here. Hope Kateet can come back later to read this so I may be able to find out more.

Kat, your Chinese is pretty good. I can understand what you're saying from your romanized Chinese. If you are from Toronto area, you should have a lot of chance using it. I respect your desire to learn Chinese since it's harder (at least in reading) than most European languages. But, once you pick it up, you can talk to almost 1/4 of world popluation. shin-nien (new year) kuai-le (happy). Take care,

cpliu
 
Hi ALL - I've been eavesdropping on this wonderfully intelligent thread. I know nothing of High Mandarin, although I can appreciate the ease with which children recall presently unrelated cultures (in my son's case, Australin). I remember his initial confusion and frustration in relating his past life (Kateet) since I was not his Mom in that life - he really thought I was playing totally dumb with him. Thanks for letting me jump in everyone. (Hope you find Kateet)
Just Kate.
 
Hi Kate...I eavesdrop too.
I can't find the post where you were asking where I'd been for the last few days, but, "not-to-worry"...I'm always around.
Most times, when I check the forum, members here have already said what I would have said...only better. So I don't post.
I hate being redundant.
Today I've been getting supplies in and wood in because of a snowstorm that they say will dump a foot of the white stuff on us by midnight. It's not even 7pm here and we've got at least 8 inches.
It's very pretty...but,it's very cold.
And there are "Miles to go before I sleep."
White Light, Kate -- Gypsy
 
Hi Gypsy and All!
Thanks Gypsy for always saying just what's on my mind ( like, someones already said it, but better) I think your comment shows a wonderfully straight forward and honest approach - ya gotta like that.
Do you burn wood? So do I! (Oops! - I have chores to do)
Take care All - Kate.
 
Hi Kate...
Our little private conversation here digresses so from the original thread (which I find wonderful -- Welcome Cpliu!). But, I had to take a break from hauling wood to tell you that we have TWO things in common: I heat entirely with a woodstove and I am also (every third day) trying to quit smoking. You'd think the cost of the *&^%##! things would have stopped me by now, but...guess what!??!...you can save money by using laundry detergent to wash your hair and fabric softener as a conditioner!!!
Anyway...break's over. Need to bring more wood in and dig the car out while the sun still shines.
I wish you well with the smoking thing.
Maybe the members with healing powers will all get together and send strength to both of us.
Just a thought.
--G.
 
Somewhere on this thread someone mentioned an interesting point I want to address. Well, lots of interesting points have been mentioned! I want to address one.

That a child's past life memory can trigger the parent's past life memory if they were together. This is the case with my daughter and I. It is so important to listen to what the children say! It can lead down a wonderful path!

Marg



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