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Jasmine And Her 'Camel'

Angelcat

Angelcat

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I help out at a local nursery occasionally and there is a 3 year old girl there who I think may have past life memories.

Despite being a very girly girl who likes playing with dolls, she often draws a biplane. She told me months ago, "It's name is camel." A plane called camel :confused: I thought this was simply a small child's imagination. However, I have recently discovered that during WW1 there was a biplane called a Sopwith Camel. I printed off a picture of one and showed it to Jasmine. She was delighted and then said sadly, "My one's all broken in the trees."

I mentioned this all to her mother who told me that she sometimes had night terrors and screamed for someone or something called "Dard." I gather that Jasmine usually goes back to sleep without really waking up from these dreams, but on one occasion she did appear to wake and said that she wanted to go home. When told that she was home, she said that in the morning she wanted to go to somewhere that sounded to her parents like Shanaganny. I looked this up and there is a place in Co. Cork, Ireland called Shanagarry.

I have no idea if there is a connection between these night terrors and the WW1 Sopwith Camel biplane, but any comments would be welcome.

Angelcat :)
 
Wow, Angelcat - a fascinating story! And I'm so happy to hear her mother was willing to talk to you about this. Did you mention reincarnation when you were talking about this?


I'm just about to go to bed for the night, but will surely get back to this later. Thanks for sharing!


Karoliina
 
Hi Karoliina,


I did mention to her mother the possibility of Jasmine remembering a past life and she practically crossed her eyes! She was, however, keen to talk to me about what she called, "Jasmine's strange interest" and the night terrors. (She knows I was a professional foster carer for 20 years and that I know a lot about small children.) She thinks the night terrors might be connected with the fact that Jasmine was a premature baby and spent 3 weeks in hospital after she was born.


I forgot to mention in my previous post that Jasmine has also drawn what looks to me like a Zeppelin with blue and yellow streaks emitting from its rear. However, when I asked her what it was, she said, "A gas bimp." Another picture was according to her, "Broken houses." When I asked her why the houses were broken, she sighed and said "The sky fell on them."


Have a good night.


Angelcat :)
 
Sounds very much like memories of WWI and/or WWII, complete with air battles and bombing doesn't it? I wonder if 'gas blimp' was the name that people in the airforce would use for a zeppelin? It might be a way to pinpoint the nationality - if the British were more inclined to call them that than the Americans for instance? Maybe somebody out there knows?


The nightmares could obviously be past life memories, but hard to say which life they might relate to without having more info. Could be the same life, or some other one. I doubt it has much to do with being a premature baby though, personally.
 
Hi Angelcat,


Probably not much you can do without mom being on board. However, there is a chapter in Carol's book on Night Terrors in young children being past life related. If you have the book, you could copy that chapter and give it to the girl's mom.


Just because people don't believe something doesn't mean its not true.


I can't think of any other way that a young child would know what a gas blimp was, anything about plane crashes or the name of a city in Ireland.


I call that kind of thing a 'pivotal moment.' Kind of like when my son told me he was a Red Coat. 5 year olds don't know what that a Red Coat was a soldier in the British army any more than three year olds know about WWII and plane crashes. Not without a past life related reason anyway.
 
It certainly sounds like she has past life memories. It's very interesting.


I hope you keep us posted :)
 
Many thanks to everyone for their imput. The more I research this one, the more I am convinced Jasmine does have recall of a life that probably ended during WW1.


I now know a lot about the Sopwith Camel! Interestingly, it was a difficult plane to fly. It had high manoeverability in the air making it very effective in battle. However, in the hands of the inexperienced it could be a death trap - 356 of them crashed because pilots lost control of them.


I have been trying to find out about Irish pilots of this plane. So far, I have found some details of two WW1 flying aces who were born in Ireland, but neither crashed into trees. When I feel the moment is right, I will ask Jasmine what her name was when she flew this Camel.


The place in Ireland called Shanagarry is only a coastal village, not a city. I had never heard of it before. If that is the place she mentioned to her parents then it is even more remarkable than if she had spoken of somewhere well known such as Dublin.


I Googled zeppelin and discovered that it was indeed sometimes called a blimp (the word Jasmine used was "bimp", but that awfully close and she is only three. They were powered by hydrogen gas, so gas blimp is an apt discription.


Thanks, Vicky for suggesting the chapter on night terrors from Carol's book. I will copy it for Jasmine's parents.


I will keep you posted.


Angelcat :)
 
Angelcat,


Best of luck helping Jasmine with her memories.


The subject of an Irish WW1 pilot immediately made me think of the Yeats poem: http://www.thebeckoning.com/poetry/yeats/yeats.html It probably won't resonate for Jasmine as her past life pilot would have been killed prior to it being published. I do wonder if that same abiguity is there, though--considering that the Easter Rising of 1916 happened smack in the middle of the war and fighting was still going on throughout. That kind of divided loyalty would of course be really hard for a 3 year old to express, but then she couldn't exactly make it up either. Anyway, it's certainly a dramatic sounding life, and hardly unlikely considering how many millions of men fought and perished in the "Great War."


mmmmmrrrooowww ;)


wyldcat
 
Hi Everyone,


I have an interesting update on Jasmine.


Jasmine has once again drawn the broken houses picture, this time with what appears to be smoke arising from the rubble. On this occasion, she made the comment, with a sigh, that "Dicky's mum and Bully Boy got deaded in those houses". I asked her who Dicky was and she said, "My friend." Bully Boy was apparently, "a white dog with little eyes."


Just before Christmas we sat the children down for our usual sing-song before going home at the end of the morning and the children were asked if they would like to choose songs to sing. We have a wide range of children's songs that we have taught them - everything from Ba Ba Black Sheep to songs from Chitty Chitty Bang Bang. Anyhow, Jasmine suggested that we sing It's a Long Way To Tipperary. When Jackie, one of the staff, said she had heard of this song but didn't know the words, Jasmine immediately sang the chorus perfectly and tried hard to sing what I only discovered later is the second verse.


When I asked her mother if they sang this song at home, she looked surprised and said they didn't. When she heard Jasmine sing it, she commented that she must have heard it on the radio, which is of course, a possibility. However, my thought is that Jasmine would have to have heard it a number of times to be able to remember the lyrics.


When I Googled this one, I discovered that the song dates from 1912 and was popular before the Great War started. It is specifically about an Irishman, which is interesting in view of the fact that Jasmine may have some past life connection with Ireland. For those unfamiliar with this song, here are lyrics:


Up to mighty London came


An Irish Lad one day,


All the streets were paved with gold


So everyone was gay!


Singing songs of Picadilly,


Strand and Leicester Square,


'Till Paddy got excited and


He shouted to them there:


Chorus


It's a long way to Tipperary,


It's a long way to go.


It's a long way to Tipperary


To the sweetest girl I know.


Goodbye Piccadilly,


Farewell Leicester Square,


It's a long, long way to Tipperary,


But my heart lies there.


Paddy wrote a letter


To his Irish Molly O


Saying "Should you not receive it ,


Write and let me know!


If I make mistakes in spelling


Molly dear," said he


"Remember it's the pen, thats bad.


Don't lay the blame on me."


Chorus


Molly wrote a neat reply


To Irish Paddy O


Saying Mike Malone wants


To marry me, and so


Leave the Strand and Piccadilly,


Or you'll be to blame,


For love has fairly drove me silly,


Hoping you're the same!


Chorus


Happy New Year to everyone!


Angelcat :)
 
Wow, that's fascinating. Talking about 'old souls'...


I just wanted to point out that children who have stayed in the hospital for a while usually are really comfortable with being in the hospital at an older age. So the panic attacks could be past life related, but they could be just children's troubles as well...


I'm going to listen to the song right away. This sort of things teach us that the massive cultural inheritage may well not be kept alive only by historians, but by our current generation as well.


Good luck!
 
Karoliina said:
Wow, Angelcat - what a validation! :thumbsup:
Karoliina
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It may be, but I remain sensibly cautious on this one. Jasmine may have heard the song somewhere. She is a very bright little girl and some people do have a photographic memory for things. I can't help feeling though that even if she has heard it somewhere that that may have triggered past life recall of the song and a liking for it.


Today, while she was drawing one of her ordinary pictures (house with garden and sun shining above) we had the following conversation, which I taped:


Me: When you had your plane that was called a Camel, was your name Jasmine?


J: (Spoken firmly) No...I...don't...think...so!


Me: Do you remember what your name was?


J: I'm not supposed to tell anybody.


Me: Why?


J: Because....(pause)....never tell them you name or number, that's why.


Me: Do you mean the number of the house you live in?


J: (Looking puzzled) No, your own number.


Me: I see. And when you had your plane, did you wear a pretty dress like the one you have on today?


J: (Smiling) That's silly!


Me: Why?


J: It is!


Me: What did you wear then?


J: I think it was trousers and a belt.


Me: Did you wear anything on the top of your body?


J: Yes, a fat coat.


Me: What colour was the fat coat?


J: Brown, I think and.....and glasses.


Me: You wore glasses? Like mine?


J: Bigger than yours.


Jasmine then changed the subject by asking to go to the bathroom.


Anybody got any ideas regarding what she might mean by "a fat coat"?


Angelcat :)
 
I suppose she meant the big fur-lined coat pilots used to wear in those days. Couldn't find a decent picture so quickly, but if I do, I'll post it!


Edit: Here is one of a pilot in an overall, the coats looked similar but went down to mid-thigh. I'll keep looking!


Here is the picture of a pilot action figure, the best I could find so far. I'm sorry - hope it gives you an idea of the kind of coat they'd wear, though! All the good pictures seem to be gone...
 
Hello Angelcat :)


I am following this thread with great interest and am also quite sure that these are past life memories.


great research Reynardine - interesting fotos :thumbsup: and a good explanation for 'fat coat'


Clivia
 
Great photo, Clivia - silly me, why didn't it occur to me to use that search word?


I agree with you, this definitely sounds like past life memories, this is nothing a little child would make up!
 
Reynardine :)


most probably because you don't have an exhusband who had a british uncle who was a member of the Royal Flying corp :laugh:


You did already a great job by pulling out the other fotos :thumbsup: - mine was just following


Clivia
 
Thanks for sharing Jasmine's story, Angelcat. Her comments are really fascinating and when she referred to the "fat coat" and the big glasses, I also immediately thought of the big fleece-lined jackets and goggles that the pilots used to wear (there was no canopy on the Camel, so the pilots needed as much protection from the cold)


Please keep us posted if she tells you any more.


Chris - :)
 
Many thanks Reynardine, Clivia & Chris!


The only kind of fat coat I could think of was a modern day padded coat, which obviously wouldn't fit with the time period. I didn't realise that WW1 pilots wore thick, fur lined jackets and coats.


Thanks too for the photos - I love the plastic action man doll! :D


I've actually found a photo of a pilot in a full length fur coat and apparently their leather helmets were fur-lined too. Consequently, it now occurs to me that maybe Jasmine means fur coat rather than fat coat or maybe thick coat.


Once again, many thanks for your help - I will keep you updated.


Angelcat :)
 
Your welcome Angelcat :)


and yes please keep us updated - little Jasmine has so distinct memories and it will be interesting what's coming next - have you told her mother about the forum?


Clivia
 
Hi Angelcat,


I was just telling my husband about Jasmine -- he was in the US Air Force in the late 70s and was stationed in Greece with RAF pilots, so he knows a little about this subject. Regarding Jasmine's blimp comment: he said that blimps were used on bombing missions in WWI (that was news to me). He also said that Jasmine's comment that "you never give them your name or number" is dead-on accurate; this is to prevent information from falling into the hands of the enemy. It would be interesting to see whether Jasmine might give a name if you could convince her that you're a "good guy"...?


Fascinating case! :)


Beth
 
Hi Angelcat,


What an interesting little girl Jasmine is! Thank you for sharing what she has said to you. It's cases like this that bring me back here. :) I hope you keep us posted on updates. I am all ears.
 
Hi Everybody,


Clivia - I haven't told Jasmine's mother about this forum because I have already established that she thinks anyone who believes in reincarnation is definately a few sandwiches short of a picnic! Obviously, I respect her views. As we all know, there are plenty of people who feel the same way as she does.


I have to be careful too that I abide by the rules of the nursery. I am on good terms with the other staff and parents and obviously want to keep it that way.


Thank you Littlebug and your hubby for that info about name and number. I was planning to research that one and you have saved me the trouble.


As for "It would be interesting to see whether Jasmine might give a name if you could convince her that you're a "good guy"...?" Darn it! How am I going to achieve that! :D


Actually, I have been thinking about the best way to convince Jasmine that she is ok telling me her name if she does, in fact, remember it. I don't want to put any pressure on her to reveal it if she feels unhappy about that. On the other hand, I would love to have a name to check out with Royal Air Corps records. Wish me luck!


Ophelia - I am delighted that this thread is bringing you back here. Indeed, I am grateful for everyone's interest and input. There would be very few people I could share this sort of thing with if this forum didn't exist.


Angelcat :)
 
Angelcat said:
I haven't told Jasmine's mother about this forum because I have already established that she thinks anyone who believes in reincarnation is definately a few sandwiches short of a picnic!
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Well it's a good thing that Jasmine has somebody that she can talk to about her memories, and who understands. It doesn't do a child any good to have their memories dismissed as imagination. Jasmine is a lucky girl to have you, I hope that you can keep in contact with her when she leaves the nursery. - ;)
 
Hi Angelcat


absloutly understood that you did not tell her mother - yes there are many who don't believe in reincarnation - and that's fine - they will come to it sooner or later - maybe as late as in another life :) - and there is no sense of forcing reincarnation or anything else for the matter onto anybody - there is this old saying 'when the student is ready the teacher will appear'


I also understand that you are carefull in the nursery - as Chris said Jasmine is a lucky little girl that she can talk to you - and it is in evrybodys interest not to jeopardise that - and certainly you don't want to risk your job.


that is definetly such an interesting thread - so lets hope for many updates:)


Clivia
 
I thought before I go off to bed, I'd share with you all one of Jasmine's drawings of her bi-plane:Angelcat :)

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