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Eldon

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My daughter has past-life memories of being a Native American female killed in an early morning raid against her village perpetrated by calvary troops. She & I have done quite a lot of research to pinpoint the location of the event, and think it may have been at Sand Creek, Colorado, Nov. 29, 1864. We cannot confirm that conclusion at this time, but we would be interested in corresponding with others who have similar memories--whether from the Native American or the U.S. Calvary side.

Also, if anyone remembers posts on this topic submitted to this forum previously that I could read and respond to personally, that would be most appreciated.

Many thanks,
Eldon
 
Hi Eldon,

My mother was killed at Wounded Knee..and I died on the Trail of Tears in 1838.



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Love,
Deborah

Lifes experiences weave a tapestry of knowledge
 
Hi Eldon...

I would be happy to share my experiences with you. Perhaps we could "compare notes".

In a prior life, I was a young boy during the Sand Creek Massacre (about 11.5 - 12 years old) and the memories are a bit hazy. However, I do remember the Washita massacre very clearly.

There is another person on this forum who posts under "Argenteluna" and she was at Washita at the same time I was there, however, she was on the other side - meaning, she was with the U.S. Cavalry, but as a Medic, not a soldier. It was by chance that we found each other on this site and by an even stranger coincidence, I had a vision of seeing her (or, rather, the man she had been in that prior life), on that day in 1868.

Jereldeen
 
Hi! I am Eldon's daughter. The one who remembers a past life as a Native American woman around the Civil War time. I am interested in finding someone who might remember being a part of the Sand Creek Massacre, either as an Indian or soldier. I get a strong feeling that I was killed at Sand Creek. I did not live to see the Washita Massacre four years later. At least, that is my impression so far, since I have not heard of their being an American flag present, and I saw an American flag in my regression.

I appreciate any information anybody can give me. Thank you!
 
Hi Sunshine!

You might want to look up Raphael (he's around this forum somewhere). He posted a while back about his past life as an Arapaho Native who died at Sand Creek.

Chief Black Kettle survived Sand Creek but was murdered at Washita. During both massacres, he had the American flag flying to show that they were "protected" by the U.S. Government - but he, along with his tribe, was murdered anyway in 1868.

I have been doing a bit of research on Sand Creek - trying to remember what happened to me in that lifetime. I think my subconscious memory has blocked out the extreme trauma that I must have suffered at that time because I just can't remember much...just running and someone grabbing me or pushing me along to help me get out of there.

There are so many really good web sites to check out.

Search under any of the following:

SandCreek Massacre
"Chief Black Kettle"
Washita Massacre or Battle of Washita

Hope this helps a little.

Blessings!

Jereldeen
 
Hi Jere,

Thank you! I sent an email to Raphael. Hopefully, we will be able to find similar connections. He lived as an Arapahoe Indian, and I was a Cheyenne Indian, so I don't know if we would remember seeing each other, but we lived at the same village. Hopefully, we will be able to compare notes about the Sand Creek Massacre.

I also searched for more information on the Washita Massacre, and I didn't find anything that said their was an American flag. So far, the details in my regression point to Sand Creek. This is very interesting to me! I went into this not taking it seriously at first. I never expected to find connections like I am now.

Sunshine
 
Warm Greetings Sunshine,
Allow me first to introduce myself, I'm the Argente Lunae Jereldeen spoke of.
Ok, that being said, I will concur with Jereldeen that at Washita there was an American flag present, one as a signal from Black Kettle that he wanted peace as opposed to war, and up where Custer was sitting on his horse prior to the order to attack. The other flag was the one that bore the symbol of the 7th. Custer being the, uhm, egotistical, maniacal, well you get the idea of where my opinion is going here....more often than not, had two standard bearers just behind him. He definitely had this thing about making a "show of it", right down to playing that idiotic tune he liked so much (Garry Owen). Okay..another personal opinion here....there were times the desire to stuff those instruments, including the bugle were waaaaaaaaaaay to tempting.
Black Kettle's camp was mostly made of up Arapaho, Kiowa, Shoshone and Cheyenne. Those people who were displaced from their original and traditional grounds.
As to whether or not the American flag was visible, once the attack was ordered, and Black Kettle's village was overrun, his own flag went down in the frey, as sadly so did he. From the position I was stationed at as a medic, I witnessed the the senseless murder of innocent men, women and children.
If you would like to e-mail me privately you may regarding what I witnessed. It may or may not be helpful for you, but there's always the possibility that it might.

Blessings always,
Argente
 
Hi Sunshine...Eileen...everyone!

Despite the fact that Eileen and I were complete strangers on this forum, we both found out, by "comparing notes" so to speak, that we were witness to one instance of brutality during the massacre at Washita. We both "remembered" seeing a young Native woman, just a young teenager, get shot "point blank". The force of the impact spun her around, at which point she fell down dead. Only, Eileen, as Dael, saw more of what happened to her than I did, as a Native fleeing the massacre.

While reading over Eileen's accounts, I saw a vision of a Cavalry man, who I thought was a soldier, walking through the chaos. He was disheveled, had lost his cap (I saw his blonde hair), and was in total distress. This was the last image I saw of Washita in that lifetime, as I fled with a Kiowa native who had tried to protect the village, but realizing that the situation was beyond his control, fled, taking me with him. With confirmation from Eileen, we realized that the cavalry soldier was her, or rather, the man she had been in that lifetime. And I found out that he was not a soldier, but a Civil War Medic.

More than a coincidence, I believe.

Blessings all!

Jereldeen
 
Hello all,

It was more than coincidence, Jere. It was meant to be that we confirmed each other's memories of that horrendous day, and that we saw each other from a distance.
Throughout all the chaos, once I got myself up off the ground from that poor young woman being thrown into me from being shot at point blank range, I saw an adult male with a younger male both on horseback fleeing the massacre.
Sometimes we need to make these contacts in order to compare notes. Not always to lend credence to the fact we're reincarnated, but to allow us to heal as well.

Argente (Eileen)
 
Hi Argente and Jereldeen,

This is all very interesting to me! It would be exciting if we all found a connection here. Although, I'm not convinced that my experience was at Washita. I haven't found any library books saying there was an American flag there. Some of the videos I've watched about both massacres, show the uniforms to be somewhat different, which also leads me to believe that maybe I died at Sand Creek. I would love to hear both of your stories in more detail. I think this will help me for sure.

I've also tried relaxing to see what else I can see of the Indian Massacre without being hypnotised, and saw a young man being scalped, after he was already dead.

This November, like every year, the Cheyenne people have a 'Spiritual Healing Run' where they visit the Sand Creek Massacre Site and then run to Denver, Colorado and have a feast. They take about five days to do this. You can see more about this at www.sandcreek.org I'm going to visit Sand Creek this November. Maybe visiting the site will help me. I remember more detail about the land, colors of clothing, and other surroundings. I don't know of any names of people or places. I think this makes it a bit harder for me.

I started my investigation not expecting to really find anything. All this came as a suprise, and it's very exciting!

I know that Washita is being made into a visitors Park, if it hasn't already. Have either of you thought about visiting the site?

Sunshine
 
Hi Sunshine...

I will be returning to Washita sometime later this year. I live in Colorado Springs so it'll be a long drive, but one that I feel will be worth it. I am looking forward to the journey but I don't know what sort of emotions I will be feeling once I return there.

Last year, my husband and I had planned a trip to the site where the Sand Creek massacre took place but after making checks on the internet, found out that the site was now closed to all visitors. Even the plaque commemorating the massacre had been removed. The land owner did this because there were too many people hanging about the area, trying to find souvenirs.

The site is in the process of becoming a historic park and as far as I know, there was no final word on when the site will be opened to the public. Hopefully, there will be word soon (I check periodically to see if any progress has been made).

I know the trip back to Washita is still way in the future, but I'll keep everyone posted on my experiences at that time.

By the way, my name in that lifetime was Wah-Tse-Gee. When I first regressed, I gave my name as such. For the longest time, I thought I had made it up - gibberish - until I was introduced to a Native American Shaman who confirmed that the word actually had a meaning - according to him, it's a Shoshone word meaning "in the early morning hours, when the sun just hits the tops of the mountain peaks". In that lifetime, I was orphaned at age 3, found by a Cheyenne, and was adopted by the man who found me. That's how I ended up experiencing and surviving the the horrors of Sand Creek.

When I was moved onto a Reservation later in my life, the White people who lived in and around the Reservation couldn't pronounce my name, and, since I had been with the Kiowa when the natives were forced to reservation life, they assumed that I was Kiowa. So, they called me "Kiowa Charlie".

A condensed version of my past life.

Have you been able to get in touch with Raphael?

Blessings all!

Jereldeen
 
Dear Sunshine,

The incident that you speak of (seeing a man already dead being scalped), also happened at Washita and was documented on a program of Custer's life leading to Greasy Grass (Little Big Horn). According to the recount of a Cavelry soldier, he found a dead Native American male laying face up, and then removed the man's "top-knot". Jereldeen, as a side note, it was one of the hardest things to watch.....but a confirmation as well.
I have no doubt that this behavior also occured at Sand Creek. It is also documented that soldiers present, under Chivington's directive, were allowed to commit such reprehensable acts. Custer was very much of the same school of thought as Chivington. There will be some who hold Custer as a hero (thanks to Libby, his wife), but there are also some of us (within my soul circle) who will attest to the fact ole George did have a darker side. This was brought out in that documentary of Custer that was shown back in March on the History Channel. Again, confirmation.
As far as making what I would term a pilgramage to Washita, although it won't be an easy thing to do, my husband and I have spoken of visiting the area. It's something we plan on doing down the road.
As to who I was, my name was Dael (pronounced Dale), and I was part of a medical unit out west. Some of the states I recollect being bounced around to include Oklahoma (the site where Washita is located), Texas, Colorado, Wyoming and Montana. I feel in love with the plains and prairie, as it was unlike any other place on earth. :-) During my life out west, I met and married a Native American woman, and had two children (my husband and children in this life). Lived happily among the People, until that village itself was attacked by soldiers. That's pretty much the sum of my life back then.
Do let us know if you've spoken with Raphael.

Blessings,

Argente (Eileen)
 
Hello all,

Your stories sound very interesting to me. I think it is neat that you were both able to get as much information from your regressions as you have. I'm going to continue trying.

I have written to Raphael a couple of weeks ago, or so. I'm still waiting for his response.

I hope in the near future, I will be able to determine the exact massacre I was involved with. So far, I'm more focused on the results being with Sand Creek, but I'm not entirely sure. I hope to keep in touch with you both, and after my visit to Sand Creek this November, I will let you know what happens. Sand Creek, at this present time, is on private land, but they let visitors in every year for the 'Spiritual Healing Run'. That is why I'm waiting until then. I hope they will be able to work out a deal soon, and let Sand Creek become a National Park for all visitors, any time of the year.

So far, I've drawn pictures as to what I've seen during my regression. I can include more detail on what I saw if you are interested.

Sunshine
 
Hello Sunshine...

First off, I just need to tell you, Welcome! I am always happy to find other "soul mates" who were either at Sand Creek or Washita. I forgot to mention this in my previous posts.

I didn't know that the Sand Creek site was opened to the public once a year. Will you please provide the information on when the run will be in November? I would love to attend it, if time permits. I live in Colorado Springs so it won't be a very long drive to the site for my husband and me. Thank you.

Regarding the knowledge I have of Wah-Tse-Gee, it has been a very long journey of rediscovery for me. It started with my first regression session in 1987. That was when I first found out about my past life as Wah-Tse-Gee. It has taken me since that time to find the answers to his (my) life and I can only say that it has been an amazing journey. One thing I noticed for myself - whenever I have any doubts on whether the information I have is valid, the answers always have a way of coming through to confirm that they are true.

One example is my doubts on the Reservation he was sent to with the Kiowa. I always felt deep within my heart that there were many White people living in and around the Reservation. But doubts would kick in because in my mind, I would rationalize that White people didn't want to be anywhere near the Reservations - that it was sort of a "no-man's land" (If you know anything about the PineRidge Reservation in South Dakota, you will understand what I mean). Well, I just found a web site that confirmed my feelings and hunches. The site talks about the Kiowa, after they were sent to the reservation and mentions that there were, indeed, many, many White people living within the Reservation. These White people helped the Kiowa adjust to living on the Reservation - helping them set up schools, churches, even a police force.

So, be patient when trying to find answers, they will appear when you least expect it.

I hope Raphael will be replying to your emails soon so that the two of you will be able to compare notes. Until then, you have a lot people, Eileen and me included, here to support and help you in your journey of rediscovery (as I like to call it).

Blessings!

Jereldeen
(aka: Wah-Tse-Gee aka Kiowa Charlie)
 
Oh Sunshine,

I almost forgot, please show me your drawings, I would love to see it! If you're not comfortable posting it on this site, please email it to me.

Thanks a bunch!

Jereldeen
 
Gee I'm glad that William was to 'gimpy' to go off after adventure when the WAR was over. Of course I doubt that his wife and five sons would have let him leave Gettysburg anyhow. That was enough of a blood letting binge for one lifetime.
catseye
 
Sunshine,

I would also love to see your pictures as well. And like Jereldeen, if you're not comfortable posting them here, by all means you can e-mail me privately as well.

Jereldeen,

I agree, Fate, the Powers that Be, Grandfather Spirit all step in and point the way when we need it most. For me, no matter how many regressions I had or how many vivid/lucid dreams I had, I did begin to have doubts about my life as Dael. Well, Mita Kola, it was our connection that gave me the 2 by 4 off the back of the head that said, yes, here's what you need, and yes you were there. Since then, I'm counting each and every person a blessing that I've been meeting who share the same memories of situations that I do from that life.

Catseye,

William and Dael have seem to have their own little connection going.

Blessings,

Argente/Eileen
 
Hi Everyone!

I will be more than happy to inform you of the 'Spiritual Healing Run' dates, etc. for November 2001 as soon as I find out. I emailed the coordinator, Otto Braided Hair just last week.

I will also send you my drawings over email within the next week or two. As soon as I get an opportunity to get it all together and scan them. I will tell you the details of my story then, so that you have pictures to go with it.

I'm excited about this whole thing, and I would love to share stories with you.

I will keep you informed. Have a great day!

Sunshine
 
Hello Sunshine...

I look forward to seeing your drawings and hearing more about your past life at Sand Creek. I am very excited about corresponding with you because I'm feeling that by doing so, I might be able to fill in the holes in Wah-Tse-Gee's life at the time of Sand Creek. As I had mentioned before, I just have very tiny fragments of that moment in his life - of running and being either pushed or pulled by someone or some people.

What I have gained by corresponding with Eileen is a greater knowledge of the events of Wah-Tse-Gee's life after Sand Creek. For some reason, the memories came flooding back to me and with the memories returning, I was able to heal some very deep emotions of pain and anger that Wah-Tse-Gee had carried throughout his life. Now, when I look back at that life, I can remember it without the anger and pain. I have even learned to laugh at some events in his life, something I could never do until I started corresponding with Eileen.

Just to make you chuckle, here's a few amusing events of Wah-Tse-Gee's life, post-Washita.

1. Learning to wear Wool trousers that itched so much, it made him walk funny.
2. Scaring the beejesus out of two White women (more than likely Missionaries or wives of Missionaries) because everytime they turned on their gramophone, he was there, sitting or standing outside of their window. It was only because he was so fascinated by the sound of the music.
3. The look on his face when the women finally allowed him into their home to view the object of his curiousity.
4. Taking a wife, which was a big mistake, because he found out very quickly that they were COMPLETELY incompatible. The names he called her behind her back - Buffalo Rump, for one.

Ok. Have a good day now.

Jereldeen
 
Hi Jere,

I think its really neat that you've been able to see more detail related to your Native American life. I'm still trying to. Although, I did discover something interesting. I've tried several times to see more detail on my own, since my regression. One time, I saw a male indian wearing a medium blue shirt with feathers in his hair. He was riding on a horse. Then, when I saw a dead indian being scalped, I noticed it was a male indian wearing a medium blue shirt and feathers in his hair. The feathers were mostly white, with some black color in it. I'm wondering if I knew him. Maybe a boyfriend, or brother, or friend. I'm not sure. But, I was dead too when I was watching the soldier scalp him.

I'm going to finish my drawings and then scan them as soon as I get a chance to. It might be a couple of weeks, since I've been busy finding a new job lately.

I really enjoy talking to all of you about this. Thank you for your stories, and please let's keep in touch!

Sunshine
 
Hi Everyone,

I found an artist that is willing to draw some of what I saw, so I'd like to complete that before I send any pictures. Sorry its taking awhile. My life has been so crazy lately, but I didn't forget about you all wanting to see my drawings. I will get them out as soon as I can.

How is everythings going?

Sunshine
 
Hi Sunshine...

Good to hear from you again...I was wondering about you.

I'll be awaiting your drawings...would really love to see them.

Good luck on your job search!

Blessings!

Jereldeen
 
Hello, Everybody!

I've just now found this board. Sunshine, please send me those drawings whenever you get them. I can't wait to see!

Raphael
 
Hi Raphael and Sunshine...

Raphael...

So good to see your name up in lights once more. lol! Always thinking about you.

I found something that might be of interest to some people.

On the web site for America's Most Wanted, you can actually order a facial profile kit.
Because I have a very clear image of what I looked like in my past lives, but am artistically challenged, I thought about ordering the kit just to put together profiles of my former selves.

I've been wanting to order the kit for the longest time but haven't had the money to do it.

Just food for thought. If anyone decides to order the kit and manages to put together facial profiles of their former selves, please post it...would love to see it!

Blessings all!

Jereldeen
 
Hi
I was told by alot of psychics that i was a member of the
american indian tribe called
oglala(sioux)And that my ex husband was my father,chief.
And that my soulmate that i'm with now was also my partner back then,only he was a sharman,and yet another sharman was involved.But my partner was murdered because of jealousely from this other sharman,whom i found out through psychics that this sharman who killed my partner is now my guide.Also my best freind across the road was my sister back then too.
No wonder i have this Infinaty towards the natives.
But i and my partner are hopeing to go to america to visit where i come from in those times,who knows'there might be a past that i might confront or reveal to what really did happened and why my partner was really murdered for,as they say'if you go back to the past of your'e pastlives,you might be aware that all is healed.
 
Hi Eldon

I remember like having been a Lieutenant in a war against the Indian population. I don't know where an when it was, but we used these typical blue jackets.

My life was full of hatred, I was a very bad person. It seems I had been waiting paciently for centuries for the moment to take revenge, for I had been killed twice by Indians (once I was sacrificed, I was Indian myself, and once I was a White man living peacefully with my family in a snowy wood).

Some weeks before the battle, a group of primitive soldiers kidnapped a young indian woman and started to violate her. I droped in and was upset of the lack of discipline of the troop. I took my arm and killed the woman on the spot. I was such a bad person, I didn't feel anything for the victim. But I felt the hatred of two of the soldiers, they wanted to react, but they didn't dare. I enjoyed to feel their anger and impotence. I wanted to be hated and to be feared by everyone, and I wanted to make them feel my power. The follwing days, I enjoyed their looks full of anger. Some days later, I sent them to spy the Indians. I knew they would be killed. They were killed, and later, when I watched their dead bodies, I felt fully satisfied.
The battle was very cruel. (When I listen to Conquest of Paradise by Vangelis, I recall those visions). After the battle, an old indian woman was sitting in the grass, she held a dead kid in her arms. She looked at me, and her look startled me. It said "So that's the way you choose, you fool? So that's where you are going? You have chosen the spiral of hatred, and you are even proud of it? So what do you think what's next?" She detested me, and she would never forgive me. She was through with it all, and she wouldn't take revenge on me. No need. There were enough people to punish me, later, in another live:
I was born as a woman, some years before World War Two, half German, half Polish, it seems. Everyone hated me. When the Russians started to occupy Poland, I fled to Germany, to a town that some weeks later was heavily bombed by the Allied Air Forces. All the time in this live I lost everything, I was beaten, violated, but I wasn't killed. I had to live on to suffer.
I wish I wouldn't have chosen the way of hatred. But it's too late now. I feel sorry.
So this life, I try hard to live it peacefully.
 
Hi Everyone,

I'm sorry to announce that the person I had planned to professional draw what I saw during the massacre decided he didn't want to. It was a bit too strange for him I guess. So I'm going to go back to trying to draw them myself. I hope to have them ready to show you soon.

Sunshine
 
Hi Sunshine!!!

Been wondering about you, friend. Glad to see your posts once more.

Hope all is well with you and that you were successful in your job search.

I was disappointed to hear that the artist backed out. I was really looking forward to seeing your drawings.

A few posts up, I mentioned about ordering a facial profile kit from America's Most Wanted web site. Haven't got the money for it now, but one day I'll order the kit and put together a profile of what I looked like in a few of my past lives.

Other than that bit of info, nothing else special on this side.

Jereldeen
 
Hi Boelcke,

I tried to log onto your website, but three times it would not connect. I'll keep trying. I'm looking forward to seeing what you have there.


Hi Jere,

Its really good to hear from you! I might of had the artist back out, but I'm still going to draw my own. They just won't be higher quality.

I finally found me a good job. I'm working as a temp right now, with the possibility of getting hired on permanetly next month. I work as a Medical Records Clerk. I'll be going back to school in a few weeks to get my Master's degree in Computer Information Systems. It will take 1 1/2 years to complete.

I like your idea of ordering a facial profile kit. If you do get the chance to purchase it and create your past life faces, I would love to see it!

Well, keep in touch. I'll get busy on those pictures and have them completed before I start school.

Have a great day all of you and I will talk to you again soon!

Sunshine
 
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