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If theres a spirit realm where does reincarnation come in?

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Thanks, my good old friend... :thumbsup:

A posterior thought I had after posting the above was in relation to the bible saying that "We were created in God's image". Yes, but as conscious beings... : angel ;)
 
but with GREAT limitations (after all, we are still only using 2% of our "brain" capacity).
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Funnily the myth was 10%, which was chucked, because we use 100% of our brains. I use both sides of mine. I don't put limits on myself. Because as God, they would manifest.

ps-I have that DVD lying around somewhere. It doesn't even touch the nature of reality, however. : angel :laugh:
 
I love the way we talk around and around, but in the end we are all really saying the same thing. I am sure the Goddess (however you conceive her) is smiling to herself at our gyrations up on her beautiful pink cloud/in her multi-dimensional diffuse state/under a buttercup.

Quite poetic Charles. How lovely to be in Brazil near the sea. I don't think the universe actually pops out of existence whenever I close my eyes, but I know what you mean. (Only teasing) :)

Yes Quintessence, the 10% brain capacity thing is an old urban myth which has been going around for a long time but is nonsense. Evolution/God/life/nature simply does not build in that amount of redundancy. I think it began many years ago when brain wave measuring devices were very inaccurate or something and was siezed upon with glee by people wanting to push various barrows.

http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/10percnt.htm
 
Hi Quintessence,

Well, in the film, a Doctor called Joseph Dispenza states that the brain processes 400 billion bites of information per second, but we are only aware of 2000. He says: "Reality" is happening in the brain all the time... Any idea if this is accurate?

As a co-creator, yes, your thoughts, beliefs and limits will manifest. Yes, I agree... :thumbsup:

Thank you, Tanguerra. I like poetry... And yes, I am living in a very nice little house within walking distance of a beautifull beach called Itaipuaçú, where there is also a small mountain called "The Elephant's Rock", which looks EXACTLY like a lying-down elephant. :) :cool
 
The brain is responsible for emotions and thoughts....
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Are you sure it is only the 'brain' creating reality and doing all these other things Quintessence? I have been pondering on this quite a lot lately (I am writing a book) and I separate the mind from the brain. This is not being semantic and I am not trying to tease you as I know that English is not your first language - so you may not have meant that really?

I feel the mind is part of what carries on after the death of the physical body (of which of course, the brain is part). I define the mind as 'awareness' or 'thought processes' or 'consciousness' - that which thinks about and evaluates experience - which people certainly report continuing in between life regressions and NDEs and is not located only in the physical brain/head. While alive we have that illusion mostly because eyes and visualization are so important to us and this is where most of the connections take place, so many nerve endings and such are located behind the eyes - so we feel as though we are living 'in our skull' - although, of course, we are not.

I believe the spirit and/or the soul (however you like to define these things) are very much part of the process also. I would even go so far as to say that it is the soul, rather than the brain, which is involved in feeling and expressing emotion.
 
Hi Tanguerra,

I agree... To me the brain simply works as a "receptor", in a similar way in which a TV works. A TV set does not produce the images. It captures and decodifies in order to produce an image. I believe the brain works in a similar way, capturing and decodifying "messages and impressions" from the superconscious self. :thumbsup:
 
Well yes, the brain is partly responsible. For example, emotions are not stemmed from the heart, but the brain. This is just getting scientific here.

So all of your emotions are coming from the brain, the Mind, the subconscious Mind, etc. But emotion is even deeper than that. Emotional energy is part of the soul as well (being that it can temporarily "imprint" itself on this portion of your Spirit).

But if you want to take it to another level, Consciousness transcends the human brain. We create reality in a lot of different ways. The brain is only one facet though.

so you may not have meant that really?
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Trust me. I meant it. :D
English is my second language in the sense that I spoke a past life language as a baby. It was an inside joke...to myself. :D

Sounds like we are discussing the same things again.
 
Hi Quintessence,

I am afraid I cannot agree with the following --

For example, emotions are not stemmed from the heart, but the brain. This is just getting scientific here. So all of your emotions are coming from the brain, the Mind, the subconscious Mind, etc. But emotion is even deeper than that.
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Are you familiar with the work of Schwaller de Lubicz? He makes reference to several "intelligences" and even refers to them as the "Three intelligences."

  • Cerebral intelligence,
    [*]Heart intelligence,
    [*]Emotional intelligence.

In his book "The Isaiah Effect," Gregg Braden suggests it is our emotions that come first, he states:

Emotion may be considered the source of power that drives us forward toward our goals in life. It is through the energy of our emotion that we fuel our thoughts to make them real. In itself, however, the power of emotion may be scattered and without direction. It is in the presence of thought that our emotion is given direction, breathing life into the image of our thoughts. (pg 150)
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He sees our thoughts as the guidance system that directs our emotions;

“It is the image or idea created by our thought that determines where our emotion and attention are directed. In the absence of emotion, there is no power to make our thoughts real.” (pg#150)
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Braden suggests that the feeling center is also the heart center. He states,

“Feelings may exist only in the presence of thought and emotion, for it represents the union of the two. When we feel, we are experiencing the desire of our emotions merged with the imagination of our thoughts.” (#150)
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So bottom-line - I believe there are - three intelligences. ;) All are very important and two do not reside in the brain...IMO.
 
"This is just getting scientific here"
^That is my quote. Beyond science, I know when my "heart chakra" opens I feel a burst of emotions (at times). I think you misunderstood me. :)
 
Well said Deborah. All these systems, logical thought, emotion, imagination, awareness, consciousness are highly interactive and it could be easy to lump them into the same category "brain stuff" but I agree they are quite distinct modes of operation.

I am personally not convinced that any of them reside in the physcial brain as such (or at least not only in the physical brain). I believe that is an illusion, although a powerful one. Yes, they interact with the brain (and the rest of the body) and the effect can be measured with MRIs and EKGs and so forth. I see no contradiction in the fact that meditation - an activity of the mind/ consciousness/ imagination - can have a measurable effect on the physical brain (and the rest of the body). Dancing ballet can have a physical effect on the body over a period of time. But we don't say that ballet is merely a product of the body though. Yes of course, in the most basic sense it is, but it is more complicated than that.

I agree with Charles that the physical brain is more like a radio receiver - the necesssary hardware to decode messages from the mind/soul/spirit and so on. I don't believe it is the author of thoughts, insights and awareness.

Obviously the brain fulfills an important function in keeping the bodily systems in order, releasing hormones, various chemicals and regulating breathing and heartbeat etc. but even in those functions I believe it 'answers to a higher authority'. This 'higher authority' - the soul, the consciousness, the awareness, the self - call it what you will *, survives the death of the physical brain. Damage or remove the brain and the body dies, but the 'self' goes on regardless. This 'self' is what retains the emotions, memories, longings and desires as you can see by reading all the stories people recount, including NDEs, not the brain.

Quintessence I am sorry, but I simply cannot agree that upon death we suddenly know everything and become ultimate beings on a par with God (however you conceive Her) or become, in fact, The Goddess (however you conceive Him) .

How then to account for the stories we hear of people attending meetings, training in schools, counsel sessions and so on with 'higher' beings and so on in the between life state? If we were all 'perfected' instantly upon death a) how would this be possible? b) what would be the purpose?

* I know there are theories about complex layers of spirit bodies, etheric bodies and such, but I am trying to keep it simple here.
 
Evolution is the answer.
All of us have infinite energy. The energy spreads over all dimensions as infinite probabilities.
Not only do my past lives have multiple probabilities, but so does my current life. I'm a *multitude* of infinities over infinite dimensions.
My ego will try to deny this, but too bad I don't listen to it. :D

The third dimension "fractionates" the energy and we experience a lifetime moment to moment, instead of "simultaneously", as it is. We already know all there is to know, but only some of us know it in the future lives waaaaay ahead of where we "are". But since the Future is Now, that means we already know All There is To Know Now. It's about tapping into it. Some are better at it than others.

Everything is Here. Everything is Now. Everything is One.
I was digging this Seth quote:
"God does not exist apart from or separate from physical reality, but exists within it and as a part of it."
So imo, God is not a him or a her. Those are third dimensional illusions. Imo, we are God evolving.

ps-as for those Beings, they are all expressions of God, just as we are.
 
This concept of being "All Knowing" to me is contradictory, based on what can be observed from mediumnic communications with spirituality. Disincarnated entities are not "All Knowing". Again I have to disagree here. IMO, the purpose of reincarnation is evolution.

I was thinking that the only "reality" we can create is our own. We do not and cannot access the entire "reality" of All That Is. My understanding is that we are ALL interconnected, but separate. The "illusion" of "separateness" is a similar concept to the sea not being there when I am not focussed on it. It IS still there just as I am not you and you are not me. These are concepts that do not "fit" with "reality" as we know it...

Certainly I believe that, as evolving souls, we might eventually (after eons of "time") reach stages in which our consciousness (I prefer the term "awareness") will reach much higher levels, but at our current evolutionary level this is still a VERY distant stage.

The complexity of envisaging that ALL possibilities, ALL possible futures, and ALL things are occurring simultaneously or in the now blows out the the greatest gift we have received, which is free will. It is like stating that the "future" is already predetermined and inscribed in stone, and, if this is so, where does free will come into the scene?

To me, there has to be some form of sequentiality to "time", so that we, as Soul/Spirits, may evolve by learning to make correct use of our free will. Each Soul/Spirit is unique and creates its own reality, and the gift of being "eternal beings" is the only free gift of God...
 
A. B. C. Or All (Knowing ) Of The Above :D

Hello Folks

I think the All Knowing vs The Evolution argument is "All of the above." answer. There is a divine spark in us that we call "enlightenment" (ba) and it helps our Soul (ka) evolve by remembering who we are as The Light.

Hinduism says that we evolve thru many stages of Karma and Incarnations to obtain enlightenment. Buddhism says that Enlightenment can come at any moment in any Lifetime.

A man studied Zen for 20 years after which he left the monastery without experiencing Enlightenment. He returned to his old labor as a gardener. One day a stone, caught in his rake, was tossed and hit a bamboo shoot. The stone, striking the bamboo shoot, made a sound with perfect pitch. In the moment of hearing that sound the man became Enlightened. (Zen tale).

http://growabrain.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/zazen.jpg

http://koi-z-are-us.20m.com/zenrake01.jpg

Yours Truly
John R.
 
the purpose of reincarnation is evolution
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I said that, just using different words.

The complexity of envisaging that ALL possibilities, ALL possible futures, and ALL things are occurring simultaneously or in the now blows out the the greatest gift we have received, which is free will
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It is not really that complex, and no it does not. Probabilities do not negate free will. That is why they are *probabilities*.
Let me break this down.
probability:
The chance or possibility that a specific event will occur.
 
Hi John,

In my understanding, the "Soul" is the same as the "Divine Spark". It is who/what we are as "Conscious Beings". In other words, the manifestation of who/what we truly are...

I am aware of the concept of "enlightenment", but what is "enlightenment" really? Is it something that suddenly "hits" us, by hearing a perfect sound, for instance, as in the tale you have shared? Or is it the result of all we have learned and experienced, and the "knowledge" and "awareness" that have resulted from them?

Interested to know your thoughts on this (and that of others, of course... ;) )
 
Memories of Evolution

Hello Charles Stuart

I hope all is well. When we emerged out of The Light as pure Spirit we had "All Knowing" but lacked experience so had little Wisdom. We were to be co-creators with The Light (God/dess). We projected ourselves so deep into matter that we lost our Memory of ourseves as Spirit.

Through the Law of Karma and the principles of Evolution, over many incarnations, we have grown our various Memories of moments when we have glimpsed The Light that we are, but had forgotten. Those collective Memories are The Higher Self or The Soul.

When we remember that we are The Light (Pure Spirit) we experience Enlightenment because "You have remembered who you are." (Siddartha). You have Remembered Original Identity. Enlightenment is the memory of Original Identity (The Light).

The memory of The Light causes the Soul to evolve.

I hope that this is useful.

Yours Truly
John R.
 
Enlightenment is part remembering, part "aligning" yourself with high frequencies, part expanding your Consciousness. Of course this is all my opinion. ^_^
 
Yes, very well said, John... :thumbsup:

I have a little disagreement regarding what you refer to as the Higher Self, however, because to me a "Higher Self" such as you mention would have to be "God".

We, as Souls/Spirits, are a particle of this "Higher Self", and we are all, each and everyone of us, unique, individual, unseparable, undividable and eternal...

My own undertsanding, anyway... :) ;)
 
Perfect Pitch

Hello Folks

Do you remember the Whitney Houston song I Will Always Love You (featured in film The Body Gaurd)? Do you remember how you felt listening to that beautiful voice? Do you particuarly remember the anticipation you had when after a breif pause lasting a single beat Whitney's exquisit voice hits a single note and divinely proclaims " And IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII WILL ALWAYS LOVE YOU!

When Ms Houston gives voice to that single note that is IIIIIIIII many folks I know feel a devine feeling that the rest of the song could fall away and whole of it is in that single note (I). This is similar to the anticipation of The Halleujah chorus of Handel's Messiah.

The Buddhist say that when you experience joy let the event fall away and remember the joy.

When you remember the Devine let the event fall away and experience who you are.

Reincarnation is another opportunity to remember who you are.

An old pastlife associate of mine said "There is no tragedy in not obtaining full enlightenment. It is only tragic if you do not apply the degree of enlightenment that you may already posess.

Yours Truly
John R.
 
The Elephant In The Center Of The Universe

Hello Folks

I think that all us of are like the the mythical, poectic blind folks all trying to Know The Elephant in the Center of the Universe. We all get a feel for some element of it's immense Awe and Wonder but it always just seems beyond our Minds ability to grasp.

In a way isn't that kind of Wonderful in of itself as this keeps us all conversing on the Truth and makes Kindered Spirits of us all :).

Here we all are working together: :)

http://differnet.com/experience/atlarge/eleph5b.jpg

Yours Truly
John R.
 
There is no tragedy in not obtaining full enlightenment. It is only tragic if you do not apply the degree of enlightenment that you may already posess.
^This is awesome. Thank you for sharing that.
 
The Higher Self


I have a little disagreement regarding what you refer to as the Higher Self, however, because to me a "Higher Self" such as you mention would have to be "God".


Hello Charles Stuart


I think that we are closer in our concept of the nature of the Higher Self than might first be surmised.My concept of The Higher Self is that it is a collection of memories of when we have glimpsed The Light(God/dess). This Higher Self can then evolve thru these insights by remembering who we are (The Light). There is always a Divine Spark in us.


Yes we are also unique and Individual in that our experience varies and thus our Identity.


"The Higher Self contains all past lives and all of our future lives." "When we realize that we transcend time and space and that the Soul is eternal we can conceive of ourselves as being "Childern of God". " It is simply a matter to no longer to try to be the "god/dess" we were or the "god/dess we will be but to become the degree of God/dess that we already are Now." "That is when we become God/dess's Adults." Quote from an old pastlife friend.


I hope thatthis interesting and useful.


Yours Truly


John R.
 
Hi John,


Yes, very interesting... :thumbsup: But I view it differently: IMO we are/were created pure but in ignorance (like a baby is born pure but in ignorance). It is through our successive reincarnations that we evolve and learn. To me, THIS is the purpose of reincarnation.


I agree, however, that we (humanity as a whole) have "forgotten" our "Divine Origin". We have "forgotten" that we are ALL brothers and sisters, created from the same "Original Source"... ;)
 
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Hello Charles Stuart


Are you sure with 100% scientific certainty that we disagree??? :) Are you sure it is not just in the words we are using at the moment?? :)


Yours Truly


John R.
 
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