If someone uses his free will to harm other person.this happened because it was written in harmed person's destiny or the free will of the person has changed the harmed person's destiny .I mean can someone's free will destroy our fate.and if the harmed person commits suicide and if after reincarnation is their any possibility that circumstances change.and this person is not harmed by other person in this life.so does suicide is correct in that case
Free Will and destiny
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My understanding is that there is free will, but it changes only details in our lives, not their purpose, not the lessons we came here to experience and learn form. Life lessons we come to learn aren't Earth specific, they are concepts that can be experienced in an infinite number of different ways.
In my opinion, suicide isn't a solution to anything. Its impact is only through the karmic traces it lays in the souls of those connected to the person who did it, including that person's soul.
In my opinion, suicide isn't a solution to anything. Its impact is only through the karmic traces it lays in the souls of those connected to the person who did it, including that person's soul.
Mere Dreamer
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Based on my own experience and memories, I think using free will to harm someone can't prevent them from gaining the life benefit they're after. It's a bit like blocking a goal in a soccer game. There's always another chance and if there isn't enough time this time around, there's always the next game. When we're unconscious of the greater span of time, it feels like this is a one-time-only event, but in the larger view we all figure things out one way or another.
From what I've heard many actually plan lives around experiencing the worst that human life has to offer, even knowing it will be a miserable experience. Maybe we see smaller hints at the reasons why in people who enjoy the horror genre or extreme sports. There's something to be gained by facing true hardship, and (again, in the larger view) we tend to feel it's worth it.
I know that's my own experience. I wouldn't exchange the years I spent being abused now that they've happened, even though I can't imagine volunteering for that again, because I'm grateful for transforming into who I am now and all I learned through the pain. The people who treated me that way still are that kind of person as far as I can tell, but I've become someone capable of seeing how fearful and trapped they are due to their mindset. I'm capable of holding boundaries that keep them at a distance or avoiding them entirely.
From what I can tell from the memories of a life I ended early, I simply learned from the information gained in the process (Basically, oops ... I could have had this whole amazing life if I'd stayed. That was a mistake. Next time I'll choose to live anyway. And I did live this time, surprising myself.) In between, I had various difficult lives where I learned to face the attitudes that had driven me to end things and instead grow through them and learn to survive.
Along the way I learned not to try to control others, even when their free will harms people, because it just slows down both my own and their growth. Often trying to fix or help people leads to intrusive and controlling behavior, even when we think we're being helpful because they're being hurt or hurting others constantly.
The downside of free will is that people only learn when they're ready. Because of this, one of the more useful life skills is learning to identify who is ready, how much support or advice they need, and when to step back and let them experience pain so they can learn from it.
So, yes. Everyone's free will influences everyone else's lives. Human life is constructed to function that way. We're capable of handling those seemingly unexpected shifts in our plans, sometimes to the extent that (looking back) it feels like we might even have planned to face that particular challenge. Some do remember planning such things.
Suicide isn't a solution. The inner growth gap of each soul tends to make room for pain. Those gaps remain open for exploitation in other lives until experience helps each of us become capable of surviving and even valuing it as a growth experience. It sounds unfair. And being treated so badly IS unfair. It's not right or acceptable or moral. And it is still possible to become someone who is resilient and refined by those experiences rather than destroyed. We only learn that by living through it until we figure it out, and that can take time.
However, there are many different growth paths and lessons to learn along the way. Not everyone will have the same experiences when it comes to dropping out of the game early. Still, the one element that nearly everyone (with such a memory) has mentioned is regret for the potential gifts they lost and the harm they caused by leaving.
From what I've heard many actually plan lives around experiencing the worst that human life has to offer, even knowing it will be a miserable experience. Maybe we see smaller hints at the reasons why in people who enjoy the horror genre or extreme sports. There's something to be gained by facing true hardship, and (again, in the larger view) we tend to feel it's worth it.
I know that's my own experience. I wouldn't exchange the years I spent being abused now that they've happened, even though I can't imagine volunteering for that again, because I'm grateful for transforming into who I am now and all I learned through the pain. The people who treated me that way still are that kind of person as far as I can tell, but I've become someone capable of seeing how fearful and trapped they are due to their mindset. I'm capable of holding boundaries that keep them at a distance or avoiding them entirely.
From what I can tell from the memories of a life I ended early, I simply learned from the information gained in the process (Basically, oops ... I could have had this whole amazing life if I'd stayed. That was a mistake. Next time I'll choose to live anyway. And I did live this time, surprising myself.) In between, I had various difficult lives where I learned to face the attitudes that had driven me to end things and instead grow through them and learn to survive.
Along the way I learned not to try to control others, even when their free will harms people, because it just slows down both my own and their growth. Often trying to fix or help people leads to intrusive and controlling behavior, even when we think we're being helpful because they're being hurt or hurting others constantly.
The downside of free will is that people only learn when they're ready. Because of this, one of the more useful life skills is learning to identify who is ready, how much support or advice they need, and when to step back and let them experience pain so they can learn from it.
So, yes. Everyone's free will influences everyone else's lives. Human life is constructed to function that way. We're capable of handling those seemingly unexpected shifts in our plans, sometimes to the extent that (looking back) it feels like we might even have planned to face that particular challenge. Some do remember planning such things.
Suicide isn't a solution. The inner growth gap of each soul tends to make room for pain. Those gaps remain open for exploitation in other lives until experience helps each of us become capable of surviving and even valuing it as a growth experience. It sounds unfair. And being treated so badly IS unfair. It's not right or acceptable or moral. And it is still possible to become someone who is resilient and refined by those experiences rather than destroyed. We only learn that by living through it until we figure it out, and that can take time.
However, there are many different growth paths and lessons to learn along the way. Not everyone will have the same experiences when it comes to dropping out of the game early. Still, the one element that nearly everyone (with such a memory) has mentioned is regret for the potential gifts they lost and the harm they caused by leaving.
Cassie
Kemetic-Shintoic Pagan
In my view, humans are just primal beings, animals like all other animals.
Free will is just the ability to act on impulse as all animals do, free will isn't limited to just man, the natural world can be as ruthless as our own.
I don't really believe in karma or destiny, only those we write/administer ourselves.
I do believe in the butterfly effect; those harmed often go on to harm others in a pattern that passes on and branches out...
but I don't believe the next life's circumstances are affected by the current ones.
I think the ideas of fate and karma just help to give people hope that the things they witness and do aren't all in vain and all the suffering is justified later on.
I guess it depends of you think there's a 'bigger plan' to all of this, or not.
Some would probably view my post as negative, but in my experience beings must take justice into their own hands because of a lack of the divine.