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Esoteric content in Forum?

Marc Ross

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Hello,

Not sure what Forum to post this.

Why has there been so much esoteric content lately? Some of this content is very interesting; yet sometimes, quite a few of us are yearning for that latest discussion on the "not so esoteric" aspects of reincarnation. Hence, I became more interested in the...'Tea and Coffee Palace' Forum.

What is behind the growing interest to post esoteric content?

Thank-you
Marc
 
Not sure what you mean by "esoteric content" since I only see a few that might go under that heading.
 
I assume you mean the 'parapscyhology' issues - astral travel, clairvoyance and the like? I guess we have a few members interested in all that at the moment.


Marc, you can always start a discussion, eh? What would you like to talk about?
 
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tanguerra said:
I assume you mean the 'parapscyhology' issues - astral travel, clairvoyance and the like? I guess we have a few members interested in all that at the moment.
Marc, you can always start a discussion, eh? What would you like to talk about?
Hi Tanguerra,


Yes, I'm referring to topics relating to 'parapsychology.'


Basically, I'm seeking concrete discussions on reincarnation (the term 'concrete' is a relative term in the context of reincarnation).


Some of the esoteric content is both thoughtful, and interesting, and at times does contribute to 'concrete' discussions. Yet, at times, esoteric content can increasingly become well...."too new agey" -- hence I feel the need to search the Forum(s) more deeply for older discussions that provide a 'concrete' focus.


Tanguerra: A topic that might be fitting for this Forum would ask, "Does anybody pause for (up to several months) from PL regression exercises?"


Would regression experiences (after time-outs of several months) differ from regression experiences that result from regressions done routinely e.g., a couple of times per week?


Marc
 
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It sort of comes in waves for me. I think it has to do with what's going on in real life. Sometimes I've no time or no interest in matters to do with past lives, then others I get all carried away with it and can barely think of anything else.
 
I think the parapsychology is part and parcel to reincarnation. If we consider that "souls" may not be more than mere electrical fields controlling an organic machine that uses a system of nerves to pass on an electrical charge to control it.


And if we also consider that electrical systems emanate an electrical field around themselves, I don't think it's a stretch to think that they may interact (or even communicate) with other fields around them and other things.


As far as personal research goes, I think like others have mentioned, it comes in leaps and bounds. You make some progress, find something new, revel in a bit and then you have to put in on the back burner for a bit as real life tends to take over. And eventually, the cycle repeats. wine**
 
How about this Marc? .... This is a conversation starter... :)


http://www.simulation-argument.com/simulation.html

ARE YOU LIVING IN A COMPUTER SIMULATION?
BY NICK BOSTROM


Faculty of Philosophy, Oxford University


Published in Philosophical Quarterly (2003) Vol. 53, No. 211, pp. 243-255.


ABSTRACT


This paper argues that at least one of the following propositions is true: (1) the human species is very likely to go extinct before reaching a “posthuman” stage; (2) any posthuman civilization is extremely unlikely to run a significant number of simulations of their evolutionary history (or variations thereof); (3) we are almost certainly living in a computer simulation. It follows that the belief that there is a significant chance that we will one day become posthumans who run ancestor-simulations is false, unless we are currently living in a simulation. A number of other consequences of this result are also discussed.


I. INTRODUCTION


Many works of science fiction as well as some forecasts by serious technologists and futurologists predict that enormous amounts of computing power will be available in the future. Let us suppose for a moment that these predictions are correct. One thing that later generations might do with their super-powerful computers is run detailed simulations of their forebears or of people like their forebears. Because their computers would be so powerful, they could run a great many such simulations. Suppose that these simulated people are conscious (as they would be if the simulations were sufficiently fine-grained and if a certain quite widely accepted position in the philosophy of mind is correct). Then it could be the case that the vast majority of minds like ours do not belong to the original race but rather to people simulated by the advanced descendants of an original race. It is then possible to argue that, if this were the case, we would be rational to think that we are likely among the simulated minds rather than among the original biological ones. Therefore, if we don’t think that we are currently living in a computer simulation, we are not entitled to believe that we will have descendants who will run lots of such simulations of their forebears. That is the basic idea. The rest of this paper will spell it out more carefully....
 
If we're living in a computer simulation I need more lives for this game and the programmer is a jerk. Also, does anyone know any way to get past level 20? I always get killed by the end boss.
 
I am grateful that threads going into areas other than reincarnation have been allowed. I have learned much and hopefully have been able to help others. It is so rare to have a safe place to share our experiences.
 
Are You Living a Computer Simulation..CONT

tanguerra said:
How about this Marc? .... This is a conversation starter... :)
http://www.simulation-argument.com/simulation.html
WHOA! I had to locate a shorter version of 'Are You Living a Computer Simulation' in order to grasp Bostrom's theories. I was amazed that a financial-orientated publication chose report on this topic. Enclosed is a LINK:


LINK: http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2012-05-01/news/31528119_1_multimedia-games-mechanics-character
 
Okay, the "we're all in a simulation" argument.


"I don't see anyone else like us around here, so our type of intelligence must be rare. I don't know where or how life might evolve elsewhere, but we're here. So with my lack of knowledge I think that life can only evolve in an environment like ours. Since I, with my lack of knowledge, don't see any other worlds like ours around, then worlds like ours must be rare. I therefor deduce with my lack of information, that we are very rare beings that just happen to have evolved in a rare environment. Two things that I decided are rare sounds unlikely."


"Now, since we can simulate things with increasing accuracy, we will of course be simulating things in the future. Since we might one day simulate our past selves, we must be in such a simulation now and this gets more likely as time goes by. Why? Because I think so, me with my absolute lack of evidence. Either that, or we're all being simulated by space aliens. You know, the ones that I said before didn't exist because they're not standing right in front of me or sending me Christmas cards? The ones that couldn't exist so as to make us unique? Yeah, them. And for some reason they must want to simulate beings very different from themselves. Because I said that our type of intelligence was rare before, remember? Beings that must be so different from themselves that the results of their experiments would have no parallel with either their own history or psychology. Because of reasons that I can't bother to go into right now, but trust me, they're good and involve science.......stuff."


"All of this, because I say that we are special snowflakes who I say couldn't possibly exist naturally. We can't be real. I mean, have you met us?"


Ummmmm.....yeah. It's an interesting idea. I however think that the argument of whether or not we are what we believe ourselves to be is better argued by Zhuangzi, the Chinese philosopher who came up the, "I could not tell if I was a man dreaming that he was a butterfly, or a butterfly dreaming that he was a man". (http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Zhuangzi)


And no, I'm not that smart. I had to look up his name too.


For the simulation argument, I can poke so many holes in it. Example- Earth wasn't always how you see it now. If you look at early Earth, you get a planet that much like now. Even early life. We're not too clear exactly what kind because very little survived in the fossil record. (Despite what most people think, we don't even have a complete idea that what was up and walking around millions of years later, during the time of the dinosaurs. Think about how many types of animal, plant, insect, and bacteria there are now. Now look in a book about dinosaurs and start counting species.) But very little oxygen. Oxygen is actually a deadly poison. Yes, you can die if you get too much oxygen. It's called "oxygen toxicity". Almost all of the oxygen that we breath today is the result of what is called blue-green algae or cyanobacteria that started to infest the ocean of the early Earth. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanobacteria) Back then they didn't have very many competitors. Also, the oxygen they produce? It's a waste product. It's algae poop or if you prefer, farts. A gas attack of epic proportions that effectively killed off just about about everything that couldn't stand the high oxygen.


If these algae hadn't come along in high numbers, Earth would still have an atmosphere of high methane and carbon dioxide. It's reasonable to assume that some sort of life and possibly intelligent life might exist right now. They too would look around and go, "See all of this, it was made just for us. We are special. We are unique."


Does any of this invalidate reincarnation? No.


This concept is nothing but old philosophy dressed up with new names.


Take a deep breath of million year old farts and have a nice day! :)
 
Yes, yes. But you are missing the point. He is a professor at Oxford. This is philosophical and science-y. Clearly, not (insert name of spiritual belief you look down upon here) hocus pocus nonsense.
 
Eh! I don't actually look down on anyone or their beliefs. Even as a joke. I'm not that smart. I am however smart enough to know that everyone else is just as clueless as I am. It's just when people stand up and go, "I know all.", it irritates me. Or when people take old ideas and dress them up in new clothes. They then pretend that it's something new and special. That the old stuff was too simple. The new, that's the answer.


Science, religion, magic, atheism, flying spaghetti monster, Homer Simpson's "the universe is a doughnut", I'll listen to it all. In a way, we all have elements of the truth.


Now if you'll excuse me, I'll just be over here in the corner with my tinfoil hat studded with genuine Atlantian power crystals. I have to rest up for my dinner with the seventh Beatle at 13 o'clock. a115.gif
 
Marc Ross said:
Hi Tanguerra,
Yes, I'm referring to topics relating to 'parapsychology.'


Basically, I'm seeking concrete discussions on reincarnation (the term 'concrete' is a relative term in the context of reincarnation).


Some of the esoteric content is both thoughtful, and interesting, and at times does contribute to 'concrete' discussions. Yet, at times, esoteric content can increasingly become well...."too new agey" -- hence I feel the need to search the Forum(s) more deeply for older discussions that provide a 'concrete' focus.


Not sure what discussions to start in this specific FORUM. The topic of creative writing piques my interest.


A topic that might be fitting for this Forum would ask, 'Does anybody pause for (up to several months) from PL regression exercises?' After several months, how would regression experiences differ from experiences from PL regression exercises done every other day?


Any "grist" to offer?


Marc
Esoteric content surrounding the topic of reincarnation can bring out the skeptic's viewpoints:


Skeptic's Advocate - posts #20, #32, #33 notes mentions of esoteric content.

http://www.reincarnationforum.com/threads/skeptics-advocate.3465/

Best wishes!
 
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The subject of reincarnation is itself esoteric, so why wouldn't these other subjects be as valid?


Nothing can really distinguish the difference between a PL memory and a clairvoyant moment. Even if you were to come up with physical proof that your memories are of a real person who once lived, there's no way to really be sure if you picked up your own past life, or the memories of someone else's life.


Esoteric subjects are important because they relate to similar uncertainties that exist regarding reality. Different people come to the same discoveries from different perspectives, and although none of them are necessarily right, each perspective can offer some insight into the truth behind the others.
 
Esoteric is a relative term in reincarnation

Anthony Forwood said:
The subject of reincarnation is itself esoteric, so why wouldn't these other subjects be as valid?
Nothing can really distinguish the difference between a PL memory and a clairvoyant moment. Even if you were to come up with physical proof that your memories are of a real person who once lived, there's no way to really be sure if you picked up your own past life, or the memories of someone else's life.


Esoteric subjects are important because they relate to similar uncertainties that exist regarding reality. Different people come to the same discoveries from different perspectives, and although none of them are necessarily right, each perspective can offer some insight into the truth behind the others.
Thank-you for your response.


Esoteric is a relative viewpoint regarding reincarnation.


Post #4 (edited) in this thread provides relevant viewpoints!
 
Marc Ross said:
Thank-you for your response.
Esoteric is a relative viewpoint regarding reincarnation.


Post #4 (edited) in this thread provides relevant viewpoints!
You're welcome. Everything is relative, to some degree. Finding concrete answers to anything is dependent on a consensus agreement, and little more. The only things that are truly esoteric are the things that are never absolute. The more you think about it, the more you realize this includes everything. We make up possible answers to things we don't understand and then try them out in an infinite number of situations, but we never really know for sure if we're completely accurate in our conclusions, because there's always more to investigate. we might conclude that reality itself is esoteric in nature, and there is no one definitive and absolute answer to anything.
 
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