Does God reveal atrocities in the afterlife?

[cloud potato]

This is a very, specific question. Not sure there's an answer, or whether particular text may reference something like this. I wonder, if a people are oppressed and don't know it- crimes against humanity kind of stuff, say like a giant social experiment killing people. Is the reason for an individuals death revealed to them in the afterlife? I ask because, I have people in my circle confused why they're experiencing, "unexplainable" symptoms- and I don't think they'll have the privilege of knowing in this life. It makes me think about the atrocities of our past, where entire societies were misled into demise.

The more I think about it, the sillier I think it sounds- that there might be someone there to explain, "this is what was really happening while you were here, and this is how you died." Maybe we'll never know the extent of the misdeeds that've maimed us.

 

[Cyrus]

This is a very, specific question. Not sure there's an answer, or whether particular text may reference something like this. I wonder, if a people are oppressed and don't know it- crimes against humanity kind of stuff, say like a giant social experiment killing people. Is the reason for an individuals death revealed to them in the afterlife? I ask because, I have people in my circle confused why they're experiencing, "unexplainable" symptoms- and I don't think they'll have the privilege of knowing in this life. It makes me think about the atrocities of our past, where entire societies were misled into demise.

The more I think about it, the sillier I think it sounds- that there might be someone there to explain, "this is what was really happening while you were here, and this is how you died." Maybe we'll never know the extent of the misdeeds that've maimed us.

In one of Michael Newton's books there is mentioned that the most cruel souls can be kind of "disassembled" when in LBL.

I don't remembrer any details. You may look it up yourself.

It's some time that I listened through all the Michael Newtoms audiobooks - I did it by my walkman, everywhere I went.

I remember that somewhere there was said that the amnesia, imposed on us after each reincarnation, was not imposed always, but since some moment of the world's history. It began being imposed abruptly. So, I think, before this occured, even the personages that were like Hitler in their PLs, yes, they could remember all their doings.

The normal thing now is that NOBODY should remember anything from his/her PLs.

So, any dèjà-vus and regressions must be considered more as exceptions, as anomalities, as some defects in the amnesia veil. Why - we can only guess.

But I think that God has nothing to do with it.

 

[Eva1942]

This is a very, specific question. Not sure there's an answer, or whether particular text may reference something like this. I wonder, if a people are oppressed and don't know it- crimes against humanity kind of stuff, say like a giant social experiment killing people.

As someone who, as a collective soul, has had two lifetimes where I effectively committed crimes against humanity, I don’t understand what it is you’re actually trying to ask.

What I DO know is that in my lifetime as Pharaoh Ramesses II, I effectively followed my fathers lead in persecuting the Hebrews from Egypt, therefore, I could have pleaded innocence and say that I didn’t know any better, but I did and I still chose to do it. My other half was a persecuted female Hebrew slave.

However, in WWII where as a collective soul (I’m talking both halves of my soul) I lead two lifetimes on two different sides. One half lead the persecution of the Jews out of Germany and committed crimes against humanity, while the other half was a persecuted Jew when the whole persecution got very bad post 1942. These lifetimes were in essence opposite for my collective soul to learn the two different sides.

However, as I re-read your post, it seems like you’re asking if G-d shows us the atrocities that we committed in a particular lifetime and if that’s the case, that’s what life review is all about. That we had the ability via free will to change this, but we didn’t because we either needed to learn a lesson or we were simply caught in the wrong place. But, if you are asking the question of whether we can be persecuted for something and not be aware of it, then I believe that could only happen if you were spiritually asleep, and chose to learn nothing of your past lives.

I’ve had “unexplainable” symptoms and ailments all of this lifetime, many of which I discovered the reason to via past life memories. It’s not our job to answer others questions because when they stepped into their respective lifetimes, only they knew why they chose particular symptoms/ailments. If they chose to have a thick veil, then their death won’t be made visible to them until they return to Spirit.

Eva x

 

[Cyrus]

As someone who, as a collective soul, has had two lifetimes where I effectively committed crimes against humanity, I don’t understand what it is you’re actually trying to ask.

What I DO know is that in my lifetime as Pharaoh Ramesses II, I effectively followed my fathers lead in persecuting the Hebrews from Egypt, therefore, I could have pleaded innocence and say that I didn’t know any better, but I did and I still chose to do it. My other half was a persecuted female Hebrew slave.

However, in WWII where as a collective soul (I’m talking both halves of my soul) I lead two lifetimes on two different sides. One half lead the persecution of the Jews out of Germany and committed crimes against humanity, while the other half was a persecuted Jew when the whole persecution got very bad post 1942. These lifetimes were in essence opposite for my collective soul to learn the two different sides.

However, as I re-read your post, it seems like you’re asking if G-d shows us the atrocities that we committed in a particular lifetime and if that’s the case, that’s what life review is all about. That we had the ability via free will to change this, but we didn’t because we either needed to learn a lesson or we were simply caught in the wrong place. But, if you are asking the question of whether we can be persecuted for something and not be aware of it, then I believe that could only happen if you were spiritually asleep, and chose to learn nothing of your past lives.

I’ve had “unexplainable” symptoms and ailments all of this lifetime, many of which I discovered the reason to via past life memories. It’s not our job to answer others questions because when they stepped into their respective lifetimes, only they knew why they chose particular symptoms/ailments. If they chose to have a thick veil, then their death won’t be made visible to them until they return to Spirit.

Eva x

Hi, Eva:

Just an afterthought.

If I was drowned in my PL, how come I've never had any symptoms of phobia to the water, in this life?
If it was a pact I made before reincarnating - what could be the sense of it? Never killed anybody in my PL.

Very best.

 

[fireflydancing]

If I was drowned in my PL, how come I've never had any symptoms of phobia to the water, in this life?

Because... you're so BRAVE....

(just joking)
I will not speak for Eva (in fact I don't think I understand her pov) but I can relate to your question. In one of my selfregressions I saw myself drowning. Well, one moment I was on ice admiring my surroundings, and the next moment I was in greyness and bubbles.
It made a lot of sense to me. In this life, I don't have a phobia of water. I also don't have a phobia of ice. But... I will never, ever go on ice alone and ice cracking always scares me to death (for people who don't live in an icy country: the sound of cracking ice doesn't mean anything, it happens all the time, ice is just 'alive'). I like swimming, but... I am scared of dark and silent water. Not a real phobia but it takes some effort emotionally to jump into dark or silent water. Paradoxically, I've always loved to swim underwater. Feels safe and protected.
So, I guess, somehow... I don't know, ...the mere fact of dying underwater was not traumatic. And if I can rely on the memories of that regression, the trauma was just before the point of no return: cracking and falling through the ice.


edit:
I just remember, Cyrus, didn't you die in a submarine? Just last night I binge-watched the series 'Virgil' about an English submarine. It was about a female police officer who enters for three days to solve a murder. The impression that I got was that the marines underwater know their risks and the way they may end up when things go badly wrong. So if I remember well and you died in a submarine accident, your former self must have consoled himself long before about this possible way of dying.

 

[cloud potato]

I'm sorry if I wasn't clear enough. I mean to say, a study is being conducted on an unsuspecting population- they are being fed poison and the effects of the experiment are documented. All the meanwhile it is never revealed to the population they were poisoned, their unknown ailments are misdirected. Do you think the people that die from this experiment will ever know the true cause of their death?

An example below:

In 1956 and 1957, the United States Army conducted a number of biological warfare experiments on the cities of Savannah, Georgia and Avon Park, Florida. In one such experiment, millions of infected mosquitos were released into the two cities, in order to see if the insects could spread yellow fever and dengue fever. Not surprisingly, hundreds of researchers contracted illnesses that included fevers, respiratory problems, stillbirths, encephalitis, and typhoid. In order to photograph the results of their experiments, Army researchers pretended to be public health workers. Several people died as a result of the research.

https://www.bestpsychologydegrees.com/30-most-disturbing-human-experiments-in-history/

 

[fireflydancing]

Do you think the people that die from this experiment will ever know the true cause of their death?

I don't see this as a real question. Of course, I understand your question. When we cross over we are supposed to merge with our Higher Self and Higher Self and Spirit are One but not the same. In that state of consciousness, there are no secrets or hidden parts. We'll have access to anything and any information we are interested in.
When we come back to the Flesh (in a mother's womb) it's just a matter of choice (or coincidence, who will tell) what we will remember from last time around.

 

[Cyrus]

Because... you're so BRAVE....

(just joking)
I will not speak for Eva (in fact I don't think I understand her pov) but I can relate to your question. In one of my selfregressions I saw myself drowning. Well, one moment I was on ice admiring my surroundings, and the next moment I was in greyness and bubbles.
It made a lot of sense to me. In this life, I don't have a phobia of water. I also don't have a phobia of ice. But... I will never, ever go on ice alone and ice cracking always scares me to death (for people who don't live in an icy country: the sound of cracking ice doesn't mean anything, it happens all the time, ice is just 'alive'). I like swimming, but... I am scared of dark and silent water. Not a real phobia but it takes some effort emotionally to jump into dark or silent water. Paradoxically, I've always loved to swim underwater. Feels safe and protected.
So, I guess, somehow... I don't know, ...the mere fact of dying underwater was not traumatic. And if I can rely on the memories of that regression, the trauma was just before the point of no return: cracking and falling through the ice.


edit:
I just remember, Cyrus, didn't you die in a submarine? Just last night I binge-watched the series 'Virgil' about an English submarine. It was about a female police officer who enters for three days to solve a murder. The impression that I got was that the marines underwater know their risks and the way they may end up when things go badly wrong. So if I remember well and you died in a submarine accident, your former self must have consoled himself long before about this possible way of dying.

Hi, fireflydancing,

thanks for your feedback.

My PL death occured in a machine section of a big military ship hit by a British torpedo in what was a kind of a European Pearl Harbour the British organized for Mussolini on the night of 11-12 November of 1940 in the Taranto Bay (South Italy). There were three or four other Italian sailors there beside me, and the section was almost immediately closed from the outside to prevent the whole ship from sinking.

I never was inside a submarine, neither in PL nor in this one. I guess I was too tall in my PL to fit into a submarine.

So, I guess, I was not exactly of the mentality that foresees the possibility of being drowned, and I was then and I am now a good swimmer.

The sea water was entering wildly into the section, there was no escape as the hatch was closed from outside, and we all were well aware that we were going to die very soon, so that we only swam around and repeatedly shouted good-byes to each other, as the water level was growing. In the last seconds I guess I saw the house where I was born and raised with a long alley of cypresses, surrounded by a rural landscape which I guess was an indication that it was in Tuscany (somewhere near Florence in Italy).

Curiously, not only I never had phobia to the water or to the sea, I always wanted to return to the Navy, even in this life, (though the Spanish doctors found that I was slightly myopic in my left eye, and thus, not fit for the Navy).

Sorry for so many words.

I don't remember having found in Michael Newton's books anything about the possibility of choosing the transparency level for our amnesia veil in a future reincarnation, as Eva contends.

I hope this were true, and I would like to know what's your opinion on this.

In this way anybody could block one's phobias, or memories of one's atrocities, or whatever, by one's own free will right before a reincarnation.

Best wishes.

 

[Ocean]

I'm sorry if I wasn't clear enough. I mean to say, a study is being conducted on an unsuspecting population- they are being fed poison and the effects of the experiment are documented. All the meanwhile it is never revealed to the population they were poisoned, their unknown ailments are misdirected. Do you think the people that die from this experiment will ever know the true cause of their death?

I think that’s an interesting question. It’s like asking if we will get to know the exact circumstances and the cause of our death in LBL. Let’s say someone dies suddenly in an explosion on the street. Will they get to know what caused the explosion? And maybe who and why? Like was it a terrorist attack or was it some kind of accident? Or will we get to know the cause of a plane crash we died in? Or the identity of an unknown murderer?

I don’t know, but I would guess yes if we want to or if it is important for us to know. But some details that seem to be important or interesting for a human being here on Earth might be totally irrelevant for a soul/our Higher Self, I think.

If we will remember anything of that knowledge in the next life is yet another question.

 

[SeaAndSky]

In one of Michael Newton's books there is mentioned that the most cruel souls can be kind of "disassembled" when in LBL.

I don't remembrer any details. You may look it up yourself.

It's some time that I listened through all the Michael Newtoms audiobooks - I did it by my walkman, everywhere I went.

I remember that somewhere there was said that the amnesia, imposed on us after each reincarnation, was not imposed always, but since some moment of the world's history. It began being imposed abruptly. So, I think, before this occured, even the personages that were like Hitler in their PLs, yes, they could remember all their doings.

The normal thing now is that NOBODY should remember anything from his/her PLs.

So, any dèjà-vus and regressions must be considered more as exceptions, as anomalities, as some defects in the amnesia veil. Why - we can only guess.

But I think that God has nothing to do with it.

Hi Cyrus,

I am extremely curious about the following statements:

I remember that somewhere there was said that the amnesia, imposed on us after each reincarnation, was not imposed always, but since some moment of the world's history. It began being imposed abruptly. So, I think, before this occured, even the personages that were like Hitler in their PLs, yes, they could remember all their doings.

The normal thing now is that NOBODY should remember anything from his/her PLs.

So, any dèjà-vus and regressions must be considered more as exceptions, as anomalities, as some defects in the amnesia veil. Why - we can only guess.

But I think that God has nothing to do with it.

You seem to be remembering something from a Newton audiobook, but I would like to pin this down and research it, so anything further you can tell me about your sources would be helpful.

Thanks,
S&S

 

[Cyrus]

Hi, S&S:

It was one of the longest Newton's books where he talks about his patients and their stories.

I'd like to listen them through once again and thus help you, but I have no time.

It was some years ago, and the theme of reincarnation was yet so new to me, that all the mega-tons of the new information got stored within my brain quite raw, until, with time, I could somehow organize them.

If it were real paper books, I could leave some marks or labels between the pages, but as they were all in an audio format - I couldn't do anything like it.

My doctor had strongly advised me to walk by foot as much as possible (for my heart's health) - and I did so, listening to Michael Newton. I can even vaguely remember which Barcelona streets I was walking and crossing just at the moment I was hearing that very passage about the establishment of amnesia, but I can't remember which concrete book it was.

Sorry I cannot be of more use to you.

Best regards.

 

[SeaAndSky]

Hi Cyrus,

Thanks for your help. This is something I really want to look into. I have listened through the first book (which is free online) and have a hard copy of his second book. I will try to see if I can find it.

BTW--I have been knocked off track by other events over the last few months, but I am also a walker and try (as often as I can) to start the day with an hour walk (during which time I also listen to various audio books or other things I can access). This was the way I read Newton's first book.

Cordially,
S&S

 

[Cyrus]

Hi Cyrus,

Thanks for your help. This is something I really want to look into. I have listened through the first book (which is free online) and have a hard copy of his second book. I will try to see if I can find it.

BTW--I have been knocked off track by other events over the last few months, but I am also a walker and try (as often as I can) to start the day with an hour walk (during which time I also listen to various audio books or other things I can access). This was the way I read Newton's first book.

Cordially,
S&S

Hi, S&S:

I sent you 2 PMs since Dec-14th. on how to solve this.

Haven't you received them?

Cannot be sure in these times, you know.

Take care.

Best regards.

 

[SeaAndSky]

Hi Cyrus,

Still very busy trying to keep up with work, plus holiday travel, plus holiday family invasions, plus got whacked by Covid prior to X-mas (though that hasn't been too bad--I assume it is the recent Omicron variety). Thanks for the reminder.

Cordially,
S&S