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Children who remember FIRE

Hi Tamera,

The whole site is for reincarnation purposes of course, but it is divided up into several sections. Right now you are in the Past Life Regression Section. There is a section specifically for Children's Past Lives. Here is the link for easy access; I am not sure what you are seeing on your computer screen.

Children's Past Lives

I am VERY interested in your daughters memories and the process you have both gone through and are living through at the present time.

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Love and Light,
Deborah

The soul's Center...is God.
 
Hi Tamera

If you’d like, we could quite easily move this whole thread over into the Children’s section - but it's completely your choice…you may find more similar stories or other members/mothers/fathers who have experienced similar things with their own children. There is no problem with the thread remaining in this section, as it does fit the subject…I think Deborah was purely mentioning it, because the Children’s section probably gets a greater cover of people with similar experiences.

And what great experiences…I do hope you continue to share…sounds like you have quite a few golden one’s up your cyber sleeve, that I know a lot of members will relish reading.

Like Deborah, I wonder if you’ve ever considered meditating and trying to contact Martin yourself, to try and help the two of them reach a more happy balance, one in which your daughter feels more comfortable with????

In the children’s section, there is a thread with some ideas (started by Deborah funnily enough) that has some good helpful hints at dealing with these kinds of things…I’ve also heard that burning a little lavendar oil in the room before sleep, or placing a few drops on the pillowcase, is an excellent way to help bring about a calm mind and peaceful sleep…so it may help a little to shift any anxiety you daughter is experiencing.

I look forward to hearing the “rest” of the story.



[This message has been edited by Kelly (edited 10-13-2001).]
 
Kelly,
Thank You for your wonderful advise! I will try the Lavender oil. I have tried to make contact with Martin, unsuccessfully. But I admit, it is usually only after he has done something that frightened me or Shianne. Probably NOT the best time for communiacation, since it would probably fry me already frayed nerves!

Anyhow, I will continue the story in the Childrens section. Go ahead and move the thread if you think I will get a better response.



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Seeking Truth
Gaining Knowledge
 
Hi Tamera

No problem…only too glad to attempt to help.

I’d try contacting Martin at a time when you are sure you will not be projecting any “fears” or anger into what you are giving and receiving – as you’ve already noted, being upset and tired and at your wits end, doesn’t always make one the most gracious of house hosts.

Most importantly, is that Shianne doesn’t see you holding any fear or negative emotions for Martin also…children are very sensitive to their parents feelings and emotions (as you are probably WELL aware of) – so her own perception and fears could grow steadily as a result.

*** (I did forget to mention that of course Lavendar oil can also be used in a bath before bedtime…another calm, natural and peaceful way of knocking oneself out for a good night’s sleep…and it smells good too)

I look forward to reading more of what you have to share in time.


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Lots of Love
Kelly
 
My daughters past lives cont..

I would like to continue to share my daughters experiences with all of you. It feels so good to get this stuff out to people who might actually believe it! As far as the Martin connection is concerned, I guess I feel like that will play itself out eventually. Although, she is still afraid to sleep by herself and that is a concern to me. However, as long as Martin behaves and doesn't do anything to harm her, I will deal with his presence.

Right now a bigger concern has come to the surface. When I first came to the board I spoke about Shianne's first past-life memory, as a child of 12 who died in a fire.(she has always been terrified of fire and even at 2 "knew" that you could die in them). Other than our origional conversation, and a few references to fire here and there, she has not brought it up.
Until the other day.

Now I have to back-track a little.

When Shianne was born, from the 1st MOMENT I looked into her eyes, I recognized them. I knew that I had known her before. I also knew that I had been her Mother. When I would look into her eyes as an infant, I felt the stirrings of Creation looking back at me. When her infant eyes would meet mine, they exuded Wisdom, and peered into my very soul! It was an almost unnerving experience. Actually, I could only look into her eyes for so long before I felt like she was seeing too much and threatend to bring something to the surface that I did not want to see, I would get scared and look away.

From the beggining, I started having dreams about losing her, or hurting her, or even (god forbid) killing her. These dreams would send me rushing into her room to check on her, in the middle of the night, and sometimes even wake her just so I could look into her eyes again! Although, these dreams were VERY disturbing to me, I reasoned that they were probably my "normal" motherly fear of losing something I loved so much played out in dream form! And this was confirmed when I asked my daughters pediatrician about it! Gradually, the dreams faded and only a very faint residue of emotion remained.

However, Shianne brought those emotions flooding to the surface again the other day.
She and her younger sister were in the kitchen having a snack, when I walked in to find Taniah (the 2 year old) pouring out her juice all over the floor. Naturally, I raised my voice and told her "No". Immeadiately, Shianne started yelling at me to "Quit yelling at her sister" (even though I was hardly YELLING). I tried to tell her that I wasn't yelling but that she also needed to be told what is ok and NOT ok to do. At this point, Shianne became hysterical and started screaming, "Mommy, why did you KILL us? You always kill us? I wanted to be the mommy this time! I wanted to be in charge, NOT YOU!! I am supposed to be the MOMMY!"

I was in total shock! Suddenly those dreams that I let go of a long time ago, rushed to my awareness like a slap in the face! I sat down with Shianne and told her how much I loved her and that I would NEVER do anything to hurt her, EVER! She settled into my arms and snapped out of her episode. She looked up to me and said, "Mommy, I love you and I want you to ALWAYS be my mommy. That is how it's supposed to be. You will always be my mommy, right?" How could she have gone from a screamimg fit about my killing her to this? Good old logical doubt started crepping in and I was starting to think that maybe she had just rambled off words without realizing what she was saying. So, I asked her about it. I asked if she knew what kill meant and she said "It means you're gone" I then asked her what she meant by I KILLED HER. She said, " In the fire, Mommy. The fire."

DOes this mean that 'I' killed her? Or that her 'other mother' did? But was that ME? Was I actually responsible for my own childrens death in a past life? That thought is reprehensible to me!! I have been disturbed by this ever since! I try to get Shianne to talk about it but, true to form, these memories are spontaneous and cannot be persuaded out of her. Also, my own memory seems to be blocked. I have tried to meditate-I just fall asleep. And when I ask for it to be shown to me in dreams, I can't fall asleep! I am very concerned about this!

If anyone has some advise or impressions that might be helpful, please let me know!
 
I've read Echo Bodine's book and it was great! So glad to hear that she helps other folk, too.

Good luck!~
 
I have one past life that is somewhat "blocked" for me. I am very curious about it, and I know that it has quite a bit of bearing on my current life.

I was allowed to see a little of it in a regression, and suddenly a lot of strange things I'd said/done in early childhood made sense. In later regressions, I asked my spirit guides about it, and I was essentially told that although I knew the basics on some level, seeing too much additional detail would be destructive to me in the present. However, I was told that I have "a lot of debts" from that life.

I think you may be dealing with a similar phenomenon. It sounds like your daughter may remember the basics but you are blocked from it for a reason. Consider it the spiritual form of the witness protection program.

Before I started with regressions, I had some idea that I had probably been an evil person in a previous life. I suspected some of the details. At the time, I was given a message one evening (I now believe it was from a spirit guide): "that person is not you. That person is part of you, but they are not you." I was then given an analogy of, I think, a recipe. Some ingredients, such as nutmeg or caffeine, are distasteful or dangerous if eaten in quantity. But you can also use them to make something good.

y.
 
If you don't mind sharing, what is it you think you did? Whatever it was, does it haunt you today? Are you angry with yourself for 'no apparent reason' or unhappy with yourself? Did regression therapy help?
Sorry, for all of the questions, but I am just getting started dealing with my own issues (both past and present). I have been so focused on my children that I forgot about taking care of me! But thanks in part to Carols book (and some St. John's Wort) I am finally able to see that JUST taking care of my kids is not really taking care of them at all, it's incomplete care. Anyway, I think I may be ready to take the plunge into regression therapy ( if I can find someone I can afford ) and start myself back on the right path! I still get a little afraid at the thought of seeing things I may have done, or NOT done in a past life that has affected my daughter this way, but I think it just might be the first step in healing now.

Tammy


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Seeking Truth
Gaining Knowledge
 
Hi Tamera

Well I can certainly see why these events and “memories” would disturb you….especially as a nurturing mother now to your two children…the thought of possibly being responsible for their death in a past time, is quite a weight to carry and I can imagine it's not any easier to try to acknowledge.

My first thoughts though, whilst reading your post was….that Shianne (beautiful names by the way) is a child now, and she was the child then…so to her…you are the authority figure…you are her protector and it is you that takes care of HER. SO….although to her, at this young age, she says “you” killed her back then…the question really is…did you???

I mean, could it not have been an accidental fire – it could have happened during the night, and whilst you were asleep, or maybe when you were not at home – to Shainne…she was a scared, helpless child and you wasn’t there….BUT that doesn’t mean, you killed her, or even let her die…this is just her own interpretation of events presently from her child’s perspective (in both cases of past and present).

Maybe in time and when Shainne is more able to understand her memories, she will be able to remove the blockage and see the full scope of her memories and past life death in this lifetime in particular…maybe the blockage is presently there so that you both work through certain issues that have remained and carried over from Shainne’s last memories of the fire, etc.

As to advise…well I’m certainly no specialist…but a few thoughts come to mind on possible steps you could make in the right direction to finding your answers (and Shainne’s peace).

I’m not sure how old Shainne is…but maybe you could look into her dreams and what they reveal by way of symbols, etc, and keep a journal of anything that comes up. You could make it like a game - every morning, you could all sit down to breakfast and share your stories/dreams from the night before…our dreams can reveal a lot of details and symbols that we miss in the waking world.

Another way to maybe try and get some of the memories to the surface to deal with, is by getting Shainne to try plugging into her creative/imaginative side. As has been mentioned in here before, children can reveal great things through their creative outflow – through story writing, to drawing and painting or even “play”…maybe you could encourage her in these fields - and again, by making it more of a “game”, she may feel less anxious or traumatised in recounting any of the more “blocked” details.

And Tamera….please, don’t worry about regression therapy…in truth, it is no different from your own meditations or dream adventures…except for the fact that you are GUIDED by a third party. Do look around for someone who you feel comfortable with though and trust, as without these basic elements, we often find it impossible to let go of ourselves and let our imaginations and memories flow through…you’ll know whether the person is right or not…just trust your intuition (and check their credentials of course)

Good Luck….your children are very lucky to have such a loving, caring and dedicated mother….so don’t ever let any possible past marr that fact.





[This message has been edited by Kelly (edited 10-16-2001).]
 
Hi Tammy,

I don't know all the details of what I "did", but I suspect I was a spy, perhaps a double agent, who was indirectly responsible for sending many people to their deaths. I suspect some of it was deliberate denunciation of people who crossed me in one way or another.

This is all stuff I have been able to piece together from my current life -- statements I made when I was younger, interests, etc. I have not seen the details in a regression. In fact, I have been told pretty much point blank by my spirit guides that I am on the right track, but being shielded from the details, because it would cause me to try to pay off the debts "too explicitly" and thus miss the point.

The thing to remember about regression therapy -- other than what Kelly mentioned, which I won't repeat -- is that it is oriented towards healing. You may find that another past life holds more significance for you going forwards than the one that your daughter remembers. That has, in fact, been the case for me. That other PL was very peaceful and harmonious, and a COMPLETE surprise.

y.
 
Thank you both so much for your advise! Kelly, it is funny you mentioned talking over dreams at breakfast because I just started doing that with them the other day. Actually, Shianne has always told me about her dreams, but now I make it a point to ask her every morning at breakfast adn REALLY listen! Taniah (pronounced Ta N eye ah)
,my 2 year old, has even said some things about her dreams that cause me to wonder if they are PL memories. So, yes, I do encourage dream communication.
And they both are extremely creative little people. Always "playing" make believe, and creating scenerios for their dolls. I will have to pay closer attention!
Thanks again for all of your advise.

[This message has been edited by Tamera (edited 10-16-2001).]
 
I just posted on another thread about abortion and then it hit me..... Could Shianne have ment that when she became hysterical about me killing her?

Although, she did say, "In the fire, Mommy." So, I don't know. But it is something to think about.

Tammy

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Gaining Knowledge
 
2yr old "fear" of bedroom/going to sleep

Hi!
I have a 24month old boy who just in the past month or so has developed a HUGE aversion to taking naps or going to bed. Just has a total coniption fit! So the other day he started to pile his pillows up near his bed and told me that it was his fire. I asked him about it and he said that you get burned. Now, we have a fireplace and always tell him that fire is hot and you will get burned if you touch it. So it is hard to say if he is just repeating this fact to me. But, I do believe in reincarnation, so I am wondering if perhaps he was burned and or killed in a fire while he was sleeping. Perhaps this is why he is scared to go to sleep in his room. Any hints or suggestions that I can give him?
Another thing he also just did was to walk into our kitchen and he had a small comb in his mouth and was humming and sliding the comb around like a harmonica! Neither my husband or I have ever shown him one, and can't think of any tv shows that he would have seen the old wax paper and comb trick! It was really cute. I think I will buy him a toy harmonica for christmas.
Thanks for any input on the whole going to bed issue.
 
I have read a lot on reincarnation. Mostly Edgar Cayce. He states that past life memories fade as a child gets older and so there is hope that she will forget her past life. He also states that it is probably better not to be able to remember something horrible you may have done in a past life. Would you really want to remember that you murdered your children or that you may have caused their death from being careless? It's better to learn from past lives and move forward.
 
Hi Kampy,
My son is/was very afraid of fire too. (See My 4 year old is terrified of fire).
I tried what Carol suggested and spoke to him while he was sleeping reassuring him then that he was safe. It seems to be helping him alot. Not only with his fear, but his whole disposition as well. I would give it a try.

Take care,
julie

[This message has been edited by JulieZ (edited 12-02-2001).]
 
Hi
When my daughter was 2 she did this coniption fit thing too. Turns out there was a ghost bothering her in her room! I poured salt around the room and sweep away the spirits with a broom...like I was told to do. It seems to work.
BUT thats another story!
JTW
 
Fire Dream

My 8 year-old daughter has had a recurring dream of being trapped in a fire. This has been going on for several years. But even as a baby she often woke up crying and wanted me close.
She also suffered with severe anxiety whenever she was not with me ( starting when she was barely 12 weeks old)
This has improved a bit, but the dreams of fire are intensifying. She now sleeps in our passage because then she can see us at bedtime!
A few days ago I asked her if she thought her dream was a memory of a previous life.
With big silent tears pouring from her eyes she told me the following: She said she was in a T- shaped house. Her parents are not there, but she has 5 friends and a baby brother with her. A fire raced up the passage from the kitchen, and engulfed them.
And then she cannot remember anything more.
Although I have felt for some time her dreams are connected to a past life, her sadness was so deep, I still feel affected.
Even after I explained that this was a different life, and that we always stay close to her, she is not comforted.
I do not know how to help her.
 
Dear bee,
My own personal experience is that the memories become more intense as we reach the age in which the prior life event happened. Did your daughter mention how old she was then?
It seems almost as thought she has some 'survivor guilt' (not really the right term, but we haven't coined a good phrase yet for this) that she didn't DO something when the fire was in the t shaped house. Perhaps she feels that she didn't save her parents, or her baby brother...
I think one thing that I would do is put up several smoke alarms and have her help you. Explain how they work and that if she were to hear them she should get out of the house and you will too...do the entire fire drill thing until it becomes second nature, so subconciously she may begin to feel that it's not going to happen again.
If she wishes to talk about the incident let her go on about it. Sometimes just going over things over and over helps us to detach emotionally...it's very much like a funeral where the survivor has to talk about the same thing over and over until there is enough reassurance that they are not at fault.
Aside from that, you can only do exactly what you are doing, reassure her.
catseye
 
My daughter says she was about 12 years old. That could explain the increasing anxiety, since she is now 8.
We have a smoke alarm, which I tell her about all the time. And we also have a security system which has a keypad for medical emergencies, physical risks(such as attack) and fire emergencies. I have shown her how to operate this. And I have vowed MANY times not to use candles or anything she may be afraid of.I actually have to go through the whole routine most nights.
But her fear is very strong.
It is interesting to note that she is not afraid of all fires. A controlled fire such as in a fireplace does not worry her at all.
I spoke to someone today who has experience in past life memories. She is now assisting us in dealing with this.
I will keep you posted.
Regards,
Bee
 
I'd bet that as she grows older her memories will slowly fade in clarity and she will begin to feel at ease. Before that happends I don't think there is much to do other then comfort her and reassure her that those past events cannot harm her any longer.
 
memories of fire

My daughter is now 3 1/2 and has begun to slow down on her comments. However, up until about 4 months ago, these comments were a common thing. From birth, she has become hysterical when sirens were heard in the distance. When she was 2, she finally told us why...she stated clearly one day that she was afraid of the sirens because her boyfriend had been killed in a housefire and the firemen couldn't save him. It was shortly after this that she came to deal with her fear of sirens..."confession is good for the soul"?? Since then, the things she "remembers" are bits and pieces of information that can be taken several ways, but still lead me to believe that she's remembering SOMEthing. I am a non-believer of any religion...but now I have to wonder what's out there...
 
Hi 1beth

It does seem like your daughter is recalling memories or experiences previous to her present life. By being able to “realise” and understand where this fear and it’s roots lie, children are often able to bring the memory to the surface and then heal the fear by allowing it to be acknowledged and so in essence are able to “let go”…so as you said…”confession if good for the soul”

Have you read either of Carol’s books on Childrens Past Lives? I would recommend them if you are keen to learn more in this area and both should be available in most bookshops or libraries. We also have a recommended book list in the FAQ section covering various aspects and thoughts regarding reincarnation and past lives…and of course, we have this forum and all it’s threads and sharings.

I would recommend that you journal all of what your daughter shares with you in this respect, as it is always easier to put the pieces of the puzzle together and keep everything together in such an ordered and detailed manner. Also look to her creative outlets – play, drawing, story writing, etc – she may express a lot of her thoughts through this various media, as well as in the content of her dreams, if you are interested in analysing this information further.

I would gather being as her fear has subsided to the sirens, compared to her initial feelings and reactions around them, before sharing what she did with you, no doubt the memories around this will appear less as they are not something “affecting” her present self and so they are no longer at the forefront of her mind - but there could be more, so journal, journal, journal.

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Lots of Love
Kelly
 
My son's fears

Good day to you all,

My son is now 6 (well, on July 22). When he was about two or three, he would tell me about his previous life. He had an older brother. He lived in an apartment with his parents and brother. The apartment burned and his parents died. He was 10. He went to live with his grandparents (and he actually said that his grandparents were too old to care for two young boys - he said he did not have a happy life).

Now the situation. I believe he had this other life. He now does not remember telling me this. Earlier this week, there was a fire in his school. A very small fire but it has upset him greatly. He cries all the time and is basically uncontrolable. He does not think it is because of the fire, he tells me that he does not like the school.

Any suggestions? I believe he has an inbred fear of fire... obviously due to his last life!

kindest regards,
kanberra
 
Hi Kanberra,

I think that your son is afraid of fire because of his past life. I just think that this fear of fire is deriving from his subconcious (where his past life memories are), so maybe he is saying it is the school cause he is unaware of his fear of fire from another life. Or he could reallly not like school. Did he like school before the fire?

Even though his memories were not very pleasant, I think it is neat that he remembers a past life and was able to tell you it. That just goes to show how we all have memories from past lives; we just don't remember them.

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"Doubt is of the mind;
Truth is of the heart."
-Sensitive Soul
 
Hi Kanberra,

My son, Ian will be 5 in October, but he also has had a tremoundous fear of fire.

Last 4th of July was the worst yet. He ran to his room screamin bloody murder holding his hands over his ears.

He was afraid of the flame on the stove, the tiki lights in the backyard, lighting a match.

It was such a heartbreaking feeling.

THe thing I did was recommended by Carol. I spoke to him while he slept. I tried really hard to reassure him that he was safe now and in a different lifetime.

He still is hesitant around 'fire', but more of an eye widening "Oh, Mama, that's fire." Much more relieving that the terror from last year and years before.

With the upcoming 4th around the corner, I am watching him extra close though.

A bonus is I talk to both my kids while they are sleeping. (Well, while their awake too.) I think it is very theraputic for all of us.

I hope everything works out for you and your son.

Take care,
Julie
 
Why don't you try to focus on his fears? Get him in a quiet spot, and ask him to close his eyes and think about how he felt when the fire was happening. Then ask about other feelings he having. You know what he's told you before, so be careful not to bring it up, let him do it. It might not work, but then again, when Carol's son had similar problems, he ended up remembering a civil war lifetime, and the battle he was killed in. The worst that can happen is that he ends up thinking you're a little strange, and trust me, he'll be thinking that anyway before long. (My son's 6 too, and he thinks I'm totally off my rocker)
 
Julie,

Can you explain a little more about talking to your kids when they sleep. This sounds interesting. Do they talk about past lives. If so, how do you bring them to do this? Otherwise, what exactly do you mean when you talk to your kids when they sleep. What do they talk about?

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"Doubt is of the mind;
Truth is of the heart."
-Sensitive Soul
 
Hi Sensitive Soul!

My kids don't talk back to me. It is more me trying to reach their subconscious. I stroke their head, whisper that they are alright and safe. I thank them for choosing me to be their mama, etc.

I tell them this during the day too, but they could care less! So, during sleep I think I reach them more. Does that make sense?

The other night, Paige asked me if i would be coming into her room again at night...she likes when I do that.

It's really very simple.

Here's Carol's quote from my fire post:
In the meantime, here's something to try that's been effective with other children who have had phobias. After your son falls asleep, sit by his bed and talk to him, as if you are talking directly to his ageless soul consciousness. Acknowledge that something terrible happened in his previous life with fire (you can get more specific if you want) and that he is now safe in a different life, in a new body. Try this every night for a week or so. It might help. Or, it might open up his unconscious enough for more memory to emerge, giving you something more specific to go on.
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Take care,
Julie

[This message has been edited by JulieZ (edited 06-28-2002).]
 
A possibility with the fire may be that maybe in a past life you set a house on fire and your kids were in it. (I'm SORRY. I know that sounds really crude, but that's a thought that came to my mind. :( )

Another thing is maybe there was a fire in a house and you were frantically searching for them, but yet you still couldn't find them and take them to safety before it was too late.
 
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