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Mona

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Ok, here goes again. Carol, please read and respond. This is Mona, Jake's mom. I have spoken to you a while ago about Jake's past life of abuse. Well, he is almost 7 now (started talking about this past when he was 4). Things are not going well. Jake is still remembering that past life of child abuse. For those of you who don't know my story Jake was 4 when he told me about his "old mean mom" and how she abused him and burned him with a "smoker" and eventually she wrapped him up in a blanket or sheet and set it on fire, killing him. Jake remembers the fire and burning feeling starting on his back and that no one came to save him. He said when he finally died it was peaceful and he finally escaped. It has been almost 3 years since he started talking about it. He is very small for his age, so are we, his parents. He feels that we cannot protect him and that he cannot protect himself because he is too small. He always has a weapon (fake of course) on him at all times to get the "bad guys". Jake sees spirits in our house and is afraid of one of them. He cries when anyone mentions a child being hurt and is very aggressive. He also recently started speaking a strange language which he said was indian from when he was in the Mikasukki tribe, where he was killed, again. This poor child remembers only abuse and it is all from the past lives. He has never ever been abused in this lifetime. He just started with a new therapist and said he is afraid of her because 500 years ago she tortured two little boys. He never seems to stop amazing us. Norman Inge, from Carol's book has come to my house to work with Jake, but he was too young then. He also refuses to speak to anyone but me about his pasts. I don't know what else to do for him. I reassure him constantly, but he still has such fear. I just needed to vent again. Carol, plese respond, I need your help.
Mona
 
Dear Mona,

My heart goes out to you and to Jake.
I remember your story well and know that these memories must be extremely hard on you and beyond 'extreme' for little Jake.

You have stated that Jake "see's" spirits, and knows of at least two other past lives now. You have also stated that he 'remembers' only abuse. Two things come up for me when reading your post that you may want to try.

One, to somehow get to the 'beginning' of the abuse, where does the 'reality' of abuse start for him? My bet is that it began before this terrible burning he now remembers. This may require you to do meditations, regressions; and/or working with someone who can 'see' by way of clairvoyance. The next level after this 'knowing' will of course be, in actually doing healing work.

Two, to somehow help him remember what 'is good' in life -- in the now. Ask him what he thinks is beautiful. Find the one or two things, objects, that help him to feel good.
This could be a butterfly, a flower, a fish, a dog, a plane, whatever -- it does not matter. What does matter is to focus his consciousness on the beauty and light outside of himself, and then to help him absorb the beauty and the light within himself. This can be achieved by him watching a butterfly and then imagining he is flying, to smell the flower -- close his eyes and fill his body with the sweet smells and so on. Your job will be to PLAY, to imagine, to create differently with him.

Try to encourage the 'beauty' within him to come to the surface. This will help him transcend the fear.

In the mean time I hope Carol gets back to you *S*S*S*S

Love,
Deborah
 
Hi Mona...
Two thoughts came to mind when I read your post:
1) Would classes in some type of Eastern martial arts be a good way to channel your son's feelings of both aggression and vulnerability? I'm thinking of the the types that stress spirituality and self-disipline while giving him a sense of confidence in himself physically. All I can think of is judo right now, but there are several others.
2)Also, I lived in Florida for a time as well, and even though the Mikasuki are now concidered a "tribe", "Mikasuki" was originally the name of a specific language spoken by members of the Seminoles. The reason I'm bringing this up is because I think the "tribe" Mikasuki has only existed per se since the 1950s. (I'm in the process of checking this on the internet and have emailed the Seminole site.) If that is so, then his death as a Mikasuki wouldn't necessarily have been a violent one, like say, during Andrew Jackson's horrible genocide of the Seminole people.
Anyway, Mona...my thoughts are with you and your son.
White Light -- Gypsy
 
Mona, hi! My son also related a death by fire in a previous life at the age of two. His behaviour in this life at the coressponding age was very angry (and almost unmanageable), and largely directed at me because his "mom" in past life had been holding him at the time of his firey death. It was helpful for him to remember and identify the "then" and "now". At about eight years of age he seemed to stop remembering - only remembered that he remembered. I am also a believer in angel protection and the power of love. Good luck! kate
 
Hi Mona,
Like Kate, my daughter also off-loaded all her anger on to me because of all the anger she felt towards her mum in a previous life. I had years of horrendous behaviour to deal with and it was only when I did as Carol suggested in her book i.e. helped her to differentiate between 'then' and 'now' that we started to see a real change in her ability to cope with these memories.
It is nearly a year ago since I did this but the change has been amazing and more to the point we havent had a reoccurence which is what I have found so wonderful.
Let me know if you want any further details.
With love and light.
english rose
 
Hi - English Rose _ I was so excited to see your entry in the forum. I'm really brand new to the internet and this is the first place I came. I was also amazed, that once my son and I had established the difference between the "then" and "now" and the situation had been resolved he became the nost loving of children, very insightful and sensitive - similar to the "indigo" children I have read described in "Kryon".
Mona, don't lose heart - this can be resolved. I will chech this site in the next few days to see if you are there to offer my support. Take care -from kate.
 
Hi Kate,
I have just started reading the book INDIGO CHILDREN. It really is very interesting and combines together so many areas of interest that I have had for years with children who are special. It is the first time that I have heard of the phrase Indigo Children but reading it through it describes my eldest child so accurately. Has anyone else found this book useful?
Love and light.
english rose.
 
Hi English Rose. Are from England?
I haven't noticed the book INDIGO CHILDREN but I will look for it here in the book stores. Is your oldest child also the one that struggled with past life information. It is my youngest son, Mark, that revealed and relived this information, and as I said, after it was resolved the transformation was remarkable. He also recalled having gone to heaven to be with God and was waiting for his birth into this family, waiting for the circumstances to be right.
I would like to hear from Mona- I think we could be of some help or comfort to her.
Hope you can reply. Take care -Kate.
 
Hi English Rose, I have read `Indigo Children` and have also found it quite helpful. Not in learning about the kids around me, but in learning about myself (I`m almost 24). Those words and descriptions ressonated so well about my own life and about the experiences that I myself have had. It was/is really nice to know that I`m not alone. For a long period of my life, I felt like I was alone, and like I was alien to this life. No wonder it`s hard for kids to describe what they feel when they don`t/can`t understand the world outside.

Hope you`re all having a great day. Take Care, -Kat.
 
Hi Kathy it is interesting that you are 24 as that is the age of my eldest child for whom the Indigo Children really connects with. From a really early age she would tell me that she could do everything...she just knew. She is also a systems breaker..she cant do anything the easy way just because the system exists if she doesnt feel that it is morally and ethically right. I found it so interesting to read about the Indigo Children.
Kate you asked if this was the same child who had the past life memories, but the one with the past life issues is my youngest who is nearly 8 now. I am so lucky to have such an interesting family who have sent me along this path of research into childrens past lives. I am also so very grateful for Caroles wonderful book...it really made such a difference to our lives.
With love and light.
english rose
yes I am from England!!
 
Dear, dear English Rose. This is so wonderful to see you quickly on this forum (as i said I'm quite, quite new to this). But, aren't indigo children the most wonderfully difficult beings you can be a mother to. They challenge all the rules. In some of my feeling- less -then -human moments I think that if nothing else I have raised one these unique human beings. I'm so all-a-gog I can't think of anything else to say. Peace be the journey. Kate.
 
Friends,

You can learn more about indigo children at their website: http://www.indigochild.com/

Also, please visit this website which is run by and for psychically and spiritually gifted children and their parents: http://www.psykids.net/

Blessings,

Bob


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Healing the Heart of Humanity, One Heart at a time

You're invited to my website -
http://www.youaredivine.com
 
Hi all, sorry it took me so long to respond to your posts. Everytime I looked at the post it seemed to be getting further and further off my original topic. Anyways, thanks for the recent input. Jake is still very hard to deal with, even after reliving his death in his past life(s). He will not speak about it to anyone except for me which makes it harder to deal with. I am interested in finding out about the book you are talking about, Indigo Children. I will look for it and hopefully gain some insight. Jake's behavior is so erratic and inappropriate that his psychiatrist just put him on an anti-psychotic medication along with the clonidine that he has been on for 3 years. Jake says that no meds will help him and that he has no control over his actions, which I think is an excuse. Anyways, I am starting to see slight changes on this medication and I hope it helps him, even though I hate the idea of my son being on meds. Anyways, stay in touch and thanks for replying.
Mona
 
English Rose, sounds like your daughter and I have a lot in common. Are you sure we're not twins. Hope you're enjoying your day. Take Care, -Kat.
 
..Hi Mona and all, I'm glad to see you checked back. You have my sympathies with Jake,My son, Mark, also seemed out of control. I really beleived he was a psychopath. he had no regard for himself or anyone else and SUCH anger! with the help of a neighbor I used the 1-2-3 system, which sould very simplistic (sp?) - but inappropriate behavior got two warnings and on the third one he was sent to his room. I thought I would never do any thing else, my whole day consisted of counting to three but it finally payed off. Sorry to hear you have had to increase his meds. Take care. kate.
Bob k - Thanks for the indigo website - that first attribute really hits the nail on the head. I laughed at just true it is.

[This message has been edited by kate (edited 01-24-2001).]
 
Hi Mona,
My heart really felt for you when I read your latest words especially when you said that Jake says that he has no control over what he does, because my youngest was exactly like this. She used to tell me that something came from inside her and made her do all these things (kicking, biting, hiting, screaming abuse at me such as threatening to kill me etc etc) The only thing which kept me going was my firm belief that she is special and that she had been sent to me for a reason and that it was my responsibility to try to work out how to help her. I understood that her anger came from issues she had with her other mum and that she desperately wanted to return to her 'real family' as she called them. All of her anger and frustration was directed at me which was really pretty hard to deal with. I had 6 years of really difficult times with her in which I tried everything...we removed all additives from her diet, she wasnt allowed chocolate or coke. We didnt let her have bubbles in her bath as the colourings made her worse. We tried flower remedies, homeopathy, shiatsu, meditation etc, etc. Some of these things improved her behaviour a little but none of them got to the root cause which obviously was the issue with her i.e. her past life memories, and it was only when I did what Carol suggests in her book ...that is I made the strong and clear distinction to her that she was angry with her other mum and not with me that we began to see some improvement in her behaviour.
Mona I know that it is really tough for you at the moment but believe me you never get given more than you can handle at any one time...stay centered and have the belief that all will be well. Jake has come to you for a reason....he is special just as you are....keep telling yourself that. Keep writing as well. It does help. I wish that I had found Carols book earlier but I am so grateful that I did find it and that this web site is available.
With love and light
english rose
We also found Reiki really helpful .
 
My daughter's chatter of a fire

When my now 6 year old daughter was between the ages of 2 to 4 she chatter about a "fire". She would tell of this big fire that burned the house when she was cooking in the kitchen. She would also call herself "the grandma - who did all the cooking". That is about all she would eleborate on. Never talked of death - "Just a fire". Every couple of weeks or so she would come up and tell me this then go on her merry way. Although cooking is one of favorite things to do. Everynight she asks to help with dinner. We encourage do what she loves.
 
Fire is a dramatic and powerful force. If she had an experience with it in a past life that affected her but did not kill her, I think it could still have effects in this life.
My son witnessed witch burning in a past life that has affected him in this life. He had vivid nightmares as a toddler concerning these memories, and at the age of 10 still talks about it once in a while.
He was not burned himself, but the memory of the execution haunts him still.
 
Dear Tagower,
Perhaps your daughter remembers a fire that affected her, but did not result in tragic consequences. She may have been an old woman whose kitchen caught fire while she was cooking, but that someone was able to put it out, so it remains something she remembers but doesn't fear. Kinda like have a fender bender. You remember the experience. it leaves a mark, but it doesn't keep you from driving like a major accident might.
Sounds like you've got a special little girl there. Enjoy her.
catseye
 
I thank you for your responses.
It is nice to fed back from people that
understand. Fortunatly, the memory
was so traumatic it didn't affect her in
negative manner. We are lucky. What
really intrigues me is what that significate moment has brought to her life now and her affinity for cooking. She is quite clever and skilled in the kitchen. Lot's of maybe's?!Hmmmm? Kinda makes you wonder. huh?

I also forgot to add - a few months ago after a hectic afternoon of running errands. We had just arrived home and were getting out of the car (totally out of the bue) she told me that people don't die the just come back again as a baby. Yes I believe in re-incarnation, so I asked her,"How did you know that?". She replied, "Silly momma, everyone knows that you are born knowing that." Once Again, she went off her merry way. Yes, my special girl is a lot of fun!
 
Dear Tagtower

Seems like you have a precious gem for a daughter there.

By her descriptions and obvious affinity to cooking now, it would seem that this life doesn't have any negative carry-overs, but instead she seems quite happy with them, well she did say she was a Grandma, so know doubt she lived a long life, surrounded by her family and cooking for tehm was obviously something she enjoyed.

Lots of Love

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Kelly
 
My sons memory of fire

My 3 yr old son talks constantly about when he and his younger brother were in a fire. When i quized him about the details, he told me that himself and his brother were in his bedroom and his brother was playing with matches. I asked him where mummy and daddy were and he said that we were at the shops, he says i tried to get in but got burned. He also says that his brother was older than him then, he was the baby( we often refer to his brother as our baby)
 
How interesting Donna....I hope your jotting this all down in a journal for later use.

I asked him where mummy and daddy were and he said that we were at the shops, he says I tried to get in but got burned.
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Did he mean YOU tried to get in but were burnt??? Did he reveal your connection to eachother in this life????
 
Yes he meant that I was his mummy then too and i tried to get to him. I am writing eveything down, he doesn't seem to have a problem talking about it as i have noticed that other children have. One thing I forgot to mention is that when I asked him where the fire was, if it was this house, he said'oh no, mummy it wasn't in this one , it wasn't in Wolverhampton(where we live now)'.
 
Hi Donna

Well it seems like he is very comfortable talking about these experiences, and I gather by your post, that he has no real irrational fear of fire or anything...which is great news. Maybe at the present, it is simply healing enough for him to release these memories to you and know that you believe him - which is why they have not routed themselves in deeper and produced themselves as otherwise "connected" fears.

I hope you'll keep sharing.
 
Yes Kelly, I think you are right. He wants to be a firefighter when he grows up, so maybe the memories he has have shaped that desire, and his wish to help other people in that situation.
Thanks for taking the time to reply and allowing me to share our experiences.Its good to know we are not the only ones.

Love Donna
 
Hi Donna

That’s great about him wanting to be a firefighter, it takes a tough cookie and brave, selfless and strong character to take up a career like that, and it is totally self dedicated to the helping of others….how beautiful…instead of it having a negative effect on him this time round, he has chosen to utilize his own experience by creating it as a positive pushing force to not allow others to suffer the same in this lifetime – what a little trooper, and how proud you must be.
 
My daughters past lives...

Hi everyone,
I would like to finish telling you about my daughter's experiences. I already mentioned her life as a 12 year old girl who died in a fire. More on that later.
She has also spoken about a life when she was playing with her cousin Darian and a boy named Martin. They were playing in a hayloft when Darian fell to his death. She did not say what role Martin had in that life but I sensed it was of signifigance.
Aside from recalling past lives my daughter has also seen and spoken with "unseen" visitors including her Grandma Sandy who died long before she was born, and has been notorious for "knowing" things before they happen. We were getting pretty used to these events by the time she was 2 1/2. It was an almost daily thing for her to speak to someone that we couldn't see, usually Grandma Sandy, but many other "friends" would visit her as well. These things NEVER frightened her, even if they frightened me. Then one day when she was about 2 1/2 she was happily playing in the living room, when all of a sudden she started yelling for me! I went running into the room (along with my dog) and asked what was the matter. She crawled up on my lap and said " MOM, who is that guy up there?" and pointed to the ceiling. I watched my dog walk over to where she pointed, sit down with his ears perked and his hair standing on end, and stare at the spot on the ceiling. He didn't growl or show fear so I said to her, " Well honey, maybe it's your angel." She shook her head and said, "No Mama, he's mean!" This was the first time that I had seen her afraid of her visitors. To make a long story short, I told her that she could tell him to leave if she was afraid because if he scared her he didn't belong here. She did that and at the moment she told him to go, my lights dimmed and then came back on. At that moment she said, "It's OK MAMA, he's gone now" and my dog got up from his perch and left the room.

Over the next few months she started having awful night terrors! SHe refused to sleep in her room because of the "guy" that was in there. During the day she could NOT be left alone in a room without calling for me (these things are still going on). THere were also many unexplainable things going on that were making all of us uncomfortable in the house. Sometimes the air in a room would become so thick suddenly and heavy you could almost touch it! And this would effect our moods as well. Our electricity seemed to go bonkers also at that time. TV's would turn on and off by themselves and so would lights. We would hear voices that couldn't be explained, door opening on their own or worse SHUTTING on thier own. I could go on and on. Finally, we decided to get some help! Even my husband, who is a self confirmed skeptic, couldn't deny what was going on and out of concern for our daughter's well being, agreed to let someone come in and see if they could figure out what was going on. By the way, these things that I mentioned happened even before the appearance of the 'scary guy' and never bothered us. However, the ATMOSPHERE in our house changed and that is what we were concerned about.
I called Echo Bodine, who is from where I live, to get her advise. She was not able to come personally to help us, but two of her associates were.
What I discovered from them gave me chills. The two of them walked through the house and felt the 'cold' in the exact locations that gave me the shivers on many occasions. They said that they communicated with a spirit named MARTIN who had followed my daughter from a previous life. He had some sort of unfinished business with her and was relieved that he had finally found her. He had some sort of vendetta with her however, he didn't want to cause her any harm. He claimed he just wanted to talk to her to settle some old issues and did NOT mean to scare her but he admitted he was angry about some things and that was why she is scared of him.
Anyway, the psychic's cleared the house but said that Martin was not ready to leave. He said he would tone it down but he was determined to "settle" with her before he moved on.
This is just 1 example of how my daughter experiences have been confirmed for me. Martin is still here. He makes his presence known from time to time and my daughter is still frightened, but I think she needs to get a little older before she can fully understand these things.

Well, I see I have rambled on longer than I intended to. I guess I will have to get to 'the rest of the story' later.

Tammy

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Seeking Truth
Gaining Knowledge
 
Hi Tammy,

After reading your post..I am not so sure it belongs here in this section of the forum. Seems more specific to either the spirit section or even the children's section since you are talking about you daughter.

A moderator might move ya!

I liked your signature at the end..seeking truth - gaining knowledge. That's really a very cool saying!

As far as Martin is concerned... have you thought about doing a meditation to contact him yourself? You might be able to ask to 'see' or better understand what the issues might be in order to help your daughter?

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Love and Light,
Deborah

The soul's Center...is God.
 
Deborah,
Is there another site that deals SPECIFICALLY with Children? I guess I just thought any site that had to do with past lives would work for this subject. Well, that was just ONE example anyhow. I have MANY more!
 
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