Chapter #7 - Facing Abortion

[Karoliina]

Hello Traveler,


This is only one view, but I think it varies. I believe the soul usually attaches to the fetus relatively late, but a soul can decide to be born to a certain family already before the mother is pregnant. You know, sometimes children will talk about things that happened to the family before they were born.


Karoliina

 

[Frerotte]

I know this is an old thread but one that has been really comforting to read. So many varied experiences and so much hope.


Lately I have had some very tragic things happen and, as I always seem to do, I hearken back to the abortion I had in my early twenties and feel that somehow I am being "punished".


I am beginning to think differently now - thanks to reading all of your experiences and thoughts.


I have not had time to read a a lot about reincarnation and past lives - a few books. The "urge" to explore this subject pounced on me unexpectedly a few months back and I have been seeking out more and more information.


My life has been hard and just seems to keep getting harder.


I am finding great help though in the thought that I can learn new ways of thinking and grasp onto and accept the forgiveness, care, and love of God and other people around me. I am learning to stop the tears and go to this place in my soul where I can quiet and comfort myself. And knowing that I have been here before and will be here again - and that I can somehow stop this "cycle" of tragedy is empowering.


Now I must admit that this is all in very small doses - I am not standing on a Himalayan mountain with arms upraised to harness the power of the universe. I am happy to stop the tears on the way to work in morning and to stop the raging fear of "what will happen next" when I hear the phone ring or have to open more unpredictable mail from the mess I have been left to clean up after my brother's unsuccessful suicide.


These things I have yet to teach my brother - that I am sure - but I have to learn it myself. He has never been receptive and may not be now - but he cannot speak and he is totally vulnerable from the loss of functioning that his brain damage caused.


Now that I can forgive myself for my long ago abortion I can start to forgive my brother for what he did to himself and my father - squandering money and attempting to take his life and causing untold heartbreak (among other terrible things in the past). I knew it would not take long for me to forgive him for this. I had to have my 2 weeks of anger though - I am hoping to find someone in my area who can teach me more about how to still myself and to pray without the restrictive religious focus. I have learned so much from all of you but I have a sensory, hands on learning style. I need to see it and have someone show me the steps.


I am sure I will find what I need.


One last thing - I named my aborted child Epsilon - after one of the stars in the sky. I never realized until now that he might be with me now as my son or perhaps one of my cousin's children (I have close cousins - almost like siblings).


What a comforting thought to know that I am not being punished.


Maybe things will go a lot smoother from here on ....


Frerotte

 

[Karoliina]

Frerotte,


It's great to hear you're finding comfort here. :thumbsup: And yes, indeed, the soul that was coming to you earlier has possibly made a return.


Karoliina

 

[alaskanlaughter]

Between the time my older son, 10, was born and the time my little son, 2, was born, my sister had an abortion about 7 years ago. She was young, mentally unstable, and addicted to drugs and alcohol at the time. So I can definitely understand and sympathize with her decision. I've always wondered if that soul will be coming back to her or if it made the choice to come to me instead. She always refers to my kids as "her kids" even though she doesnt' live close by. I personally think that soul will come back to her when she is ready. Right now she is slightly more mature, not quite as young, still mentally unstable and only addicted to alcohol. I think as she continues to grow up, that soul may come back to her.

 

[Sunny1994]

Twins ;0)


I have had 4 children, 5 pregnancies. My youngest son, Camden, had a identical twin that I lost early in the Pregnancy. I have had trouble w/ each of my pregnancys. So, generally, as soon as it is determined that I am pregnant, a Sono is performed. The pregnancy w/ Camden was quite a suprise, as I was on B-C. I hadn't been sick, or done any of the things that could of voided them out. But, somehow, I became pregnant. I went in to see the Dr. on 9/12, one day after the WTC Tragedy. As he examined me he said that either I was further along then I thought, or there was more then one.


The next day I returned for a Sono and there was indeed two. They determined that they were identical twins, sharing the same placenta and sack. I was told then that there would be a good chance that I could lose one, or both, babies. It was devastating! They had me come every Wed. there for a bit to check things out. After a cpl. of weeks it looked as if the heartbeat had stopped in one of the babys. The next week the baby was gone altogether. They told me that it was a result of twin-to-twin transfusion. The stronger baby had "borrowed" too much from the smaller one. Which is a common thing when the babies share so much. Luckily, I did not lose both babies. I was induced w/ Camden 2 wks. early, and he weighed 8.6 lbs., and was 21.5 inches long at birth. He was MUCH bigger then any of my other children, and the 2 oldest boy's were both over-due!


Once when we was about a year old I had a dream. In the dream I woke up to this baby crawling onto me, waking me up. When I looked at the baby he was naked, and I thought, how did Camo get his onesie and diaper both off by himself. This Baby then kissed my cheek and curled up next to me. A few minutes later I woke up to Camden crying in the next room. And, there wasn't a baby laying next to me. I have always thought that it was the other baby's way of letting me know that it was ok. Which was something I needed BADLY! I had an awful time after losing that baby, still do sometimes, but after that I always a felt a bit more assured that he was fine.

 

[deborah]

For a new member who asked about abortion in Carol's books.


Chapter #7 - the section subtitled Facing Abortion on page 176 in her book Return to Heaven.


I hope this helps.

 

[Victoria32]

Thank you for the beautiful and elegantly written post Volchitsa.
:thumbsup:


I also find the prolife movement, and their willingness to grasp onto anything to justify their position, quite frightening. Had I not had my two abortions, my life would surely be one filled with misery now.

Sushi, I am part of the pro-life movement (in NZ, not the USA, and I believe that in the USA it's all pretty militant in a way that New Zealanders just don't do!)


However, I would never condemn a woman who has had an abortion or abortions. I would rather try to persuade a woman who hasn't yet, that she has other options...


Vicky32

 

[elizabeth carma]

do you actual memories of being the first baby?


I have told my mother my whole 27 years of life that I was the first baby but I wasnt ready to be here yet. So I waited and came back

Shay:
Thank you so much for your story! That was so precious. It makes me feel good that these things can happen, a baby can decide not to come if feeling not ready yet, and come later, as you did. I got very sick as an infant, and although I don't really recall, I have a feeling I was tempted to leave.


But it has been a good life, some hard times, but it seems I came to set a lot of things right. I have recalled one past life, and getting more memory now, and there are many things I have done in this life to get closure on past lives' issues. I think when I am done I will have a great sense of accomplishment...sort of like spring cleaning the worst areas of your home.


Marg

 

[tanguerra]

Hi elizabeth


Welcome to the forum.


That sounds like an intriguing story. Would you like to share more?