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Berlin Boy, WW2 Era

Demi

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Hello everyone...

These are my dreams and experiences of a possible past life as a boy born around 1922 and living in what appears to be Berlin.

I have been having PL experiences for 3-4 years (and longer) from different historical periods. They are often very vivid and emotional.

The few memories I have is from my early childhood: I am playing in a big city park on a trip with my parents. I am playing with other boys in the back yard and on the street, teasing the girls.

The neighborhood we live in has a cobble stone street, the row of houses on the sunny side of the street. The houses have small gardens with flowers. The sun shines there all afternoon. The other side of the street is in the shade and chilly. A small brick church is there, we kids like to play on the stairs. The priest is a stern man who wears a long, black robe and he does not like us playing there; he comes out and chases us away. Sometimes we go to the junkyard behind the houses and play there instead.

I am 4 or 5 years old and loving everything about knights. I put mom's cleaning bucket on my head using it like a helmet, and run around playing that I am a knight. I often stumble into things around the house, as I can't see much with the helmet on. One day my dad gets mad because I run into the table where he is sitting. He hits me hard on top of the bucket – Blam! From then on, I never put the bucket all the way over my head. Instead, I use it like a hat. I hear my mom calling my name, it sounds like "Fritzi"

I am around 5 years old. Father is drunk again, he is yelling and hitting on the table. I sit with Mom under the big wooden table in the living room. She holds her arms around me. I promise myself that when I grow up, I am going to protect her.

Father is a worker in a factory. As long as he still has got his job, we are doing okay but he drinks a little bit too much. When he gets fired his drinking increases. He is having short term day jobs and is often sitting back home. I am afraid of him; he is unpredictable and gets angry about anything when he is drunk. I sneak around on my toes.

I know that I cannot count on my mother. She withdraws when father is in a bad mood, waiting for things to settle down on their own; she rarely stands up for me. I must deal with it alone.

I see my dad hovering over me, I am scared. He is so big, like a big monster, I am on the floor, he has hit me and I hate him, I am just so scared, shaky, all over my body.
I run to my room, my room in the attic of the small house that the factory workers families live in, closing the door after me. I find my big pillow on the bed, pull it out from under the covers. I hit and squeeze it over and over again and I keep hitting it until the down is flying around the room.
My mom sees it later on and she asks what happened.
”There is a hole”, I lie to her.

I am 10 years old, going to school. The school building is 4 story tall, red brick with arches. The school yard is in front of the building, as one enters the main gate. A cobble stone street with big oak trees led up to the gate. From the 4th floor you could see the rooftops of the eastern Berlin neighborhoods as well as the factories, from which foul smell sometimes carried over.

There are a lot of kids in the school, divided into a boy's and a girl's section. The classrooms are painted in a dirty yellowish color. When the teacher gets mad, he or she asks you to stretch out your fingers in front of her and hits them with a ruler. Sometimes the teacher called me up to the board and asked me questions... The board is too big to see what she have written from up close, so I am just standing there confused, hoping for it to end as quickly as possible.
One day when there is no one around, instead of going to the washroom, I pee on the wall of the school building. I feel it is a little dangerous and naughty. I walk away giggling because nobody had seen me! Sometimes the boys fight in the school yard.

I do not like being at home. My father would get mad at me and hit me and my mom would stand in the doorjamb of the kitchen. That was when I am small; when I am older she wouldn't even come that close. Anything could set my dad off, it was not possible to know. I knew if I cry it will get worse, so I taught myself not to. I always hope that my mom would come out running in the last moment and save me. She never does.

I am around 14 and having a job. I am delivering bottles of milk around the neighborhood for "Molke", my boss, and he is very strict. It is some kind of dairy, I am not sure if Molke is his real name or a nick name we call him, or the name of the dairy or something... One day he fires me without reason.

TO BE CONTINUED...
DEMI
 
Demi, thank you for sharing. Your memories are so extremely detailed and I'm looking forward to reading what you say next! I do have to step in, I'm sorry for derailing this (I dont like to do this to threads, feel free to ignore this if you like) but I really feel like there's something to be said here.

argonne1918 said:
You would have been too young to understand what was happening in Germany in the years after WWI. A lot of economic and political upheaval. Your dad was probably worried about what was going to happen to him and the family.
Argonne, I assume your intentions are good and your suggestions are likely meant to help, but please don't try to explain or rationalize domestic abuse like that. Economic and political instability is no excuse for a father to use his strength against a child in anger and while demi's memories are obviously her own and her perceptions and judgement of the event both as it happened and in memory are likewise her own and will remain so, that statement of yours is offensive. This is a friendly and supportive forum, justification of any sort of abuse as a symptom of the times or in some way not the fault of the abuser itself would not be accepted anywhere else and shouldn't be here. Would you say the same to someone who experienced the same in childhood this life? It may not be your intention to encourage alloplastic defense here, but please be sensitive.


Thank you.
 
These are very interesting and I love how detailed they are. Have you tried looking at old maps of Berlin during this time period and seeing if you recognize anything? Especially since you remember this was in Eastern Berlin. It would be interesting to know if you found something that matched up with your memories of the area you lived in. Your description of the school sounds a lot like the way schools sometimes looked in that time period.
 
Phthalo said:
These are very interesting and I love how detailed they are. Have you tried looking at old maps of Berlin during this time period and seeing if you recognize anything? Especially since you remember this was in Eastern Berlin.
Until reunification East Berlin hadn't changed much since the War.
 
argonne1918 said:
Until reunification East Berlin hadn't changed much since the War.
Where did I say it had/hadn't changed? :confused: I said that knowing it was East Berlin could help the original poster of this thread narrow it down to specific locations if they're interested in doing so. :laugh:
 
I think your memories are very detailed, and very interesting, Demi. They have a reality that would be hard to question. Are all the memories from the same life?
 
Phtalo, I actually asked a person who used to live in Berlin whether it's possible to find the place. He said it would be very hard if I don't have a street name or other landmark. Miles and miles of communist apartment buildings has been built in East Berlin after the war. He also said there are thousands of churches like that. Since I was a kid I've always wanted to visit the city. Maybe if I am really lucky, I can find something in a historical archive..?


Briar Rose, yes I think it's the same life, there is a similar feel to them as if experienced through the same person. Of course one can never be sure.


Argonne, yes, of course my father was frustrated like a lot of people at that time. It does not excuse his behavior, but when I saw it I understood more of my attitude this life time about being raised by a single mother and how grateful I was, because I believed that if I knew my father he would hurt me. Later on, I learned there also existed happy families. Now I understand better why I felt like that. My soul probably chose it due to a negative PL experience.


Here are some experiences from my teenage years of that life:


I remember being a young child this life, and having an image in my head, as if physically being present in a scene; I don't know if it was triggered by something I've saw/heard about or not... It's evening, dark, I am walking through a street (a rather wide one in a city) and there are a lot of people gathered around a fire... it lights up the street... I run closer and I see they are throwing books on the fire. I am around 10 or 11, and I don't know why they are doing it. I want to come closer but my father pulls me away.


I am 15 and in some kind of boy scouts group. There is a fight going on between us. The others beat me but I do not cry - It impresses some of the other boys whom I look up to. I am an insecure and frustrated young person looking for a place to belong, I see myself as a sidekick of those guys. I want to be cool. I am desperate to get accepted. I meet new friends there, one of them is called something like Hermann. I work on winning his respect. He likes my kind of courage. My father does not like me hanging out with these guys, and that is even more reason why I want to do it. I obviously cannot rebel into his face; that would end as a disaster, but I begin to slowly develop more and more courage against him.


At that time there is a lot of dissatisfaction and unemployment around me, the old folks are stagnant, stuck, they complain a lot, society is a mess and the young people feel that it is the old generations' fault, that they have failed somehow and led the country astray.


These are glimpses of scenes: I am going to some meetings, with the scouts, not sure... there is an atmosphere of change, desire to get rid of whatever bad elements are 'destroying our nation'. Everyone feels it; something new is happening... there is this kind of anger in people and also a hope for a better future. I also relate to the dream about a better life and everyone can see the results, people are having jobs, things are being built. I start to feel like I belong somewhere, rediscovering self-worth and getting a goal in life. My life has changed from being the son of a jobless bum to be a 'real' German. The old folks had made nothing but a mess. It is only the young people who can change it. That's what they say...


(to be continued).
 
I'm by no means expert, but the situations you are describing sound remarkably like Germany between the World Wars - from the book- burning, and "boy scout" group, to the terrible unemployment and dissatisfaction with the way things were going. You have made me curious, Demi, about the outcome of that life. What happened to that little boy? If we do indeed choose aspects of our lives, I understand why you chose a home with a single mother this time. I hope you have had better experiences with father figures in your current life. :)
 
It sounds like you were in Hitler Youth. They didn't know it at the time, but this was a training ground for the S.S. The $64 question is what happened to you during the war? You obviously did not survive or you would now be 90 years old.
 
Funny how I met a psychic man in town, and when I asked him if he could see my PL, he said Hitler Youth! He also said I died in January 1945, which blew my mind because from my own experiences I died somewhere in the end of Dec. 1944, but I wasn't sure if I lived through all of 1944. I told him and he said it was the first week of January. One more thing I did not tell him beforehand was that I had another incarnation after the war as a girl who died young. He said: your last one is a girl who died young in Germany. The last two were in that country.... It's mind blowing to meet people like that!


Here are a few more experiences from being around 17 and the year seems to be 1939.


One day my friend tells me that we are invited to an interesting party downtown. He is the one who always knows when and where are the 'in' places to go. Tonight he is going to show me the insider crowd.


We arrive at the building, which looks like nothing special from outside and enter into the basement. The place is nice, a bit elegant or upscale without being ostentatious. Sort of like a neat wine cellar. There are several people at the party whom I already know, more or less.


There are girls there... they seems to be something like "groupies", or supporters if one prefers... (I was in doubt about this... but I have researched on it and people confirming the groupies thing!)


Some are fiancees or girlfriends of the members, while others are... fangirls of a kind...They are well-mannered, 'ideal' German young women in their regular daily life, until they come down here to hang out with the boys. This must be the first time I experience something like this. I meet my girlfriend there. She has straight, brown hair. She is a little older than me (maybe 18 or 19)?


In another scene we are at a big ice rink (or a frozen lake)? in the middle of the city. We seem to be happy together. I also see us together in an apartment with a small balcony and a bathtub with cast iron legs, sort of looking like paws... I am not sure who owns it and if we live there together or just visit, but we are able to spend time undisturbed in the place.


I don't know if I married her or not... some time in 1944 or so, I am with a little girl (around 4) who is my daughter... we are running to a bomb shelter, with planes coming overhead (I used to be VERY uncomfortable about planes coming overhead, esp. the sound they make, when I was younger). There is debris on the streets. I am holding her in my arms, she is wrapped in a blanket. She is beautiful and cute, but at the moment she is not feeling well. Her name is something like Lena. I feel a love and affection for her. She looks up on me, smiling. It is a very tender moment. I feel very sad that I had been away for such a long time, not seeing her growing up, not giving her much attention. And now I feel that I must protect her, and I have this horrible feeling that I can't. I know they are bombing the city. I feel I cannot protect her from the war, and I am very disappointed with myself.


Demi
 
Demi said:
Funny how I met a psychic man in town, and when I asked him if he could see my PL, he said Hitler Youth! He also said I died in January 1945, which blew my mind because from my own experiences I died somewhere in the end of Dec. 1944, but I wasn't sure if I lived through all of 1944. I told him and he said it was the first week of January.
If you died in January, 1945 you may have been in Berlin when the Russians attacked. The Russians said the Hitler Youth people were the worst. They were fanatics and refused to surrender.





I also see us together in an apartment with a small balcony and a bathtub with cast iron legs, sort of looking like paws... I am not sure who owns it and if we live there together or just visit, but we are able to spend time undisturbed in the place.


Those are called "Claw foot" bathtubs. Those were standard until about the 1920's or 30's. When I was little we lived in 2 old houses that had them. But they were dangerous. When I was 7 I slipped in one and knocked out my (permanent) tooth. Today those old tubs are collectors items and cost a fortune.





... we are running to a bomb shelter, with planes coming overhead (I used to be VERY uncomfortable about planes coming overhead, esp. the sound they make, when I was younger).


There are not many of the big old propeller planes around anymore. Jet fuel is much cheaper and jet engines are much cheaper to repair.


 
It's a bit vague, but it appears that he was sent to the front in 1944 (that is, transferred voluntarily from other service) in some auxiliary army unit (possibly Waffen SS) and died as a Russian POW, so not in Berlin at the time. Almost 23 at the time, so no longer HJ.


As for the planes, yes, low flying propellers is the kind I was scared of as a kid, not jet planes.
 
Experiences from rallies.


I remember being 7 years old and the first time I saw an image of a Nazi parade in a magazine. Suddenly I felt drawn into the picture, sort of knowing what's around the corner of the street in the picture. I saw a flash of myself walking with other boys carrying banners, there are some black cars among/behind us, and the crowd on the sidewalk is cheering... I am trying to hold the banner straight and not fall out of tune... this was just a flash, but I ran to my mom, very excited, telling her "I want to go there!". She frowned at me and said: This is very, very bad!


I felt she must be lying. I just felt getting dizzy, as if the whole thing was evaporating for me, some kind of disappointment. And then I forgot about it...


Here is a more recent experience from being at a rally.


This is a very huge, outdoor meeting (not sure of the year exactly, but there are A LOT of people.)


We are standing in the crowd, lined up, at the exact coordinates in the exact sections, it is orderly, in rows, like the shells of a herring, one gigantic herring; I feel a little uncomfy, sort of like on the tram in rush hour, but this is different. I usually don´t like crowds; waiting there my thoughts go off in different directions, such as thinking about what would happen if a tornado suddenly hit the place.


Der Fuhrer walks on the stage. Even though we are standing closer than many others, he is just a tiny dot up there, I can hardly see him. His voice rumbles from the loudspeakers, a bit distorted.


While I do not understand everything he says, the meaning, I pick up that he talks about unity and purity of the German people. He talks about removing the 'demons', the bad things, the bad people, whom I don't really personally know much of but it makes sense because all the other things make sense, or at least, I think they do. He talks about who we really are, that we are great. He yells it out over and over again as if in a trance.


At a point there is something that amuses me, maybe in the way that he is barking out his words. I turn to my best friend, who is standing next to me, wanting to poke him, but something stops me from doing it. He appears to be "gone", spellbound... His eyes are staring on the stage and I have never seen him taken away like this. Der Fuhrer keeps ranting and I feel sometimes like he speaks to my soul, and sometimes like it is a strange comedy going on. Sometimes the energy connects with an angry and frustrated part of me right on the edge to get out.


When they start yelling something like “Sieg, Heil!” The rumble of many voices in unison appear to sweep over the surface of the Earth; like a primordial sound and I feel immersed in the center of it, feeling a surge of energy, as if everyone becomes part of one thing, a unity, and this is as if I finally understand what our leader was talking about.


I am no longer uncomfortable in the crowd. It is as if, all of us tiny dots have become something which is greater than the sum of its parts.


Demi
 
Thank you for sharing your memories from the rallies. They were described well and in such a detail as if I could feel myself there while reading your words. I remember watching a video of a former Hitler Youth member speaking about being at one of Hitler's speeches where he addresses the Hitler Youth and the way he describes it is actually very much like what you describe. I will see if I can find the video for you and send it along.


I am sorry about your experience with your mother when you were young. Do you remember other similar experiences?
 
Hi Demi,


This is all so interesting, and very detailed. The instability of the country, the Fuhrer giving people hope for a better future, and then the end of the war, the devastation of not being able to protect your loved ones.


I wonder what your feelings were about, first, you hoped for protection from your mother, and later in that life you felt you were incapable of protecting your own child. I know, there is a difference in protecting a child that is abused by its father, and protecting it against bombs.


Do you have any special feelings about protection in the current life? Like, you want to protect others from harm, or you look for protection for yourself? In other words, did those experiences make you stronger, or do you often feel insecure/vulnerable? (Don't answer if you think this is too personal, but I see a recurrence here).


Eevee
 
Eevee said:
Do you have any special feelings about protection in the current life? Like, you want to protect others from harm, or you look for protection for yourself? In other words, did those experiences make you stronger, or do you often feel insecure/vulnerable?
I'll say, there is something in my current life. For example my mom left my dad even before I was born. While growing up, people felt sorry for me, but I thought I was "blessed", for some reason convinced that "fathers do harm". I understand now where that came from. And even if he wasn't there, my mom seem to repeat some of the patterns of my PL mom (maybe they were the same person, thought I doubt it, because my current mom was conceived about same time as my PL died (interesting coincidence!), and I don't recall my PL mom dying before me, though of course I cannot know for sure.)


I've always felt I did not want to have children. I was concerned that I would not be able to protect them or take care of them, as if something would happen, and because the world is tough... I can see how this possibly relates. But recently I feel I miss my daughter from last time. Once I became aware, I miss her.
 
Thanks for the reply, Demi. It is very understandable that you miss your PL daughter, but sooner or later you will be reunited, and you will recognize her Soul! Maybe still in this life, or the next, or in between. hug3.gif
 
Demi, your memories are wonderfully detailed and so evocatively expressed. You have a way with words. The emotions and events described are perfectly plausible given the historical milieu, but then, I'm sure you already know that ;) Thank you so much for sharing them with us. It's fascinating the way even "troubled" lives can shed light on who we are today.
 
ZeonChar said:
Demi, I have found a similar clip to the one I was talking about regarding the rallies with the HJ. Does this seem familiar to you?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9bF0Pc-GRI#t=1306
ZeonChar, thank you for the video. It does look like this place. I also remember having a sort of "out of the body" experience at some point, as if soaring above the crowd, but did not write it because I thought it would sound spacey... There was such an optimism in society at the time. there was just the idea that all is going to be wonderful. And they were telling us we are the "knights". I mean I still did not believe in all of it... interesting how it changed in the last years. Russian front, extreme disillusionment, feeling of being screwed... And it was as if that was so painful... that we had been lied to, so many people dying, we are losing, "they don't really care about us".


Honestly, this life time I cannot stand Hitler's voice. It's giving me a headache. He betrayed all of the German people. Not to mention the other nationalities. As we know.. :(


I do want to mention, as a teenager this life I had a club with my friends... we were truly a HJ ripoff (except for the racist part), without even knowing it. Marching, singing and saluting with banners we'd made. I remember we used one lighting bolt on our flag "cause that's not two, and we won't get confused with them" Which we did anyway, that is!


Much later I found out that was actually the HJ symbol... and also that they had a song "Forward, forward" which was in the lyrics of our song.


My mom took it cool. I remember when she first saw the flag, she said "are you starting up a political party?" But my friends' parents were constantly calling my mom in concern about "what are they doing" and my mom used to say: "it's all right, they are just marching and singing."


I remember this "scouts" group being the only good thing in my life back then, and again, we weren't doing anything illegal. We were winning all football games.


This life I seem not trust anyone easily... neither governments or people... As Eevee mentioned, abandonment from all sides.
 
Eevee said:
Thanks for the reply, Demi. It is very understandable that you miss your PL daughter, but sooner or later you will be reunited, and you will recognize her Soul! Maybe still in this life, or the next, or in between. hug3.gif
I had an experience of a soul contact with her. It was such a beautiful thing, as if her spirit was hugging me, and I felt she wanted to be with me again. It's hard to explain, but I really enjoyed it. I believe we are going to reunite at some point as there seems to be a wish from both sides. Maybe she is incarnated already... I don't know.
 
argonne1918 said:
Until reunification East Berlin hadn't changed much since the War.
Berlin had the most damage from bombs of all German cities. If any part of Berlin, East or West, hadn't changed much since the War, it would have remained a heap of rubble and debris.


Furthermore, even though the Eastern part of Germany is often considered as having been not as "advanced" as the Western part, of course there were huge changes in construction, housing and streets in East Berlin too. After all, the reunification happened more than forty years after the end of WWII.
 
To add something of interest to this, now if you were part of the Hitler youth then you most likely attended a work school, unless late in the war, Late Mid 43+. If before that point I would imagine you were sent to a training camp, like a Boy Scouts, either on a forested lake resort or the Rine River. There, basic military survival and tactics would be thought as well as the supremacy of the Nazi leadership. You also depending on your appearance would have been put in selective units, for breeding and/or troop leadership. Now, going onward if I recall right, if pre-43 you would have been deployed in the civic guard until of age and then moved the eastern front in a supportive position. Otherwise, if post 43 your front position would vary although more likely the eastern front.
 
This is very possible, ZenSar, I have glimpses of receiving training, but it's in a prison and not at a lake resort. I was 18 in 1940.
 
A prison, that sounds abnormal the purpose of those camps was to create a feeling of unity and a undying passion for the leadership. Basically, a way to brainwash soldiers to be completely loyal.
 
ZenSar said:
You also depending on your appearance would have been put in selective units, for breeding and/or troop leadership.
Hi, do you have a source material for this?


Helping members with historical validation is one thing and is certainly encouraged but please include a proper source, not only for any other questions, curiosities, and triggers someone might have but also to ensure any validations are in fact valid.
 
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