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Ancient Egypt

Hi Sue,

And I would be the last to say that anti-gravity machines will never exist. But most people believe that they have not existed yet on earth. As I said, great things have been accomplished by following hunches, and maybe some day someone's hunch will result in sort of an anti-grav machine. But not only has no proof been offered that they already exist, no evidence has been offered, either.

Hi Deborah,

True, indeed. Your post made no reference to any of the phenomena I mentioned. If I have insulted you, I appologize. But you have not answered the question. I know, I know, you were asking for information from Peter but you did so in an open forum. And since you have referred to the same 'name in red' twice in two different threads it would seem to be a simple thing to tell us what you're driving at.

I copied this quote

Al
The monument was built by the Egyptian pharaoh Khufu of the Fourth Dynasty around the year 2560 BC to serve as a tomb when he dies.
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from this website http://www.crystalinks.com/dynasty4.html
and I'm sure you could have done the same.

So..... whuts up??:D :D

Or put another way, what do you know that you want the rest of us to know? If causing your student to become curious is a teaching technique of yours, you have succeeded. I'M CURIOUS......... FEEEEEED ME!!

Al:D
 
heh Aligator

I am merely questioning some "evidence" that Egyptologists in the past 160 years have "clung" too. One of these happen to be the "red painted hieroglyphs" found in the Great Pyramid. There are horrendous 'orthographic' problems with these hieroglyphs -- pointed out by Samuel Birch, a British Museum expert in ancient Egyptians language.

These "quarry marks" are a mixture of different eras and the explorer Howard Vyse -who discovered the "writing" - did not record them until the next day with a witness. His first day in the chamber he was alone and the marks were not noted. The same language errors are also found in the records of Vyse's written research papers.

These "red Painted hieroglyphs" have been hailed as PROOF that Khufu built the pyramid. I only question - why? Why when in so many other burial sites - the painted tombs, with lots of documentation, hieroglyphs that are clearly about the Pharaoh - WHY one small inconsistent red quarry mark is proof when really --it's lacking both in credibility and real "proof?" If Peter has an image of the marks -I would -love to see them just out of curiosity.

So here I go -- questioning "facts" ;) ..and I will continue to do so.
 
Hi Deborah,

OK..... I'm getting there, I think. Check me out:

The Pharoh's name is there alright, but it's misspelled (just bear with me - I know heiroglyphs don't 'spell'). And since no one in his (or her) right mind would misspell the pharoh's name, the indication is that the name was added AFTER the pyramid was finished. Sort of like WWII GI's did when they went around writing "Kilroy was here". Meaning it wasn't built for Khufu at all. And since there was no body (mummy) in the (I forget what you call that little casket thingy) it makes it doubly curious - who built it and when?

I'm sorry, but I'm having a little trouble understanding you but I am interested in what you know and have to say. How'm I doin', Teach?

( ;) Jeez, you'd think you being a teacher and all, you'd just be dyin' to lecture;))

Al::D
 
Hi Peter,

Well not really...... I just want to make absolutely sure I know what Debarah is saying, and we (Deborah and me) seem to be on different wavelengths somehow. So I gotta go slow.

:) Man, it sure doesn't take much reading to figure out the Great Pyramid has been the subject of some intense speculation! But if there is some truth there, I'm in favor of uncovering it.

Al:D
 
There are no spelling mistakes or grammatical errors. This is a blatant lie propagated by Sitichen and irresponsibly forwarded by Hancock.

Hancock, at least, now accepts them as valid evidence proving Khufu's attribution to the pyramid.

Position statement from Graham Hancock:

22 July 1998

I am the author of "Fingerprints of the Gods" and the co-author (with Robert Bauval) of "Keeper of Genesis" (entitled "The Message of the Sphinx" in the United States).

(1) Re the 'quarry mark' hieroglyphs in the relieving chambers above the King's Chamber in the Great Pyramid, I have rightly been taken to task for uncritically supporting Zecharia Sitchin's forgery theory. I reported this theory in Fingerprints (published 1995) and in Keeper/Message (published 1996).

(2) As an author and researcher I hope that my work will always be 'in progress' and never finished or set in stone. When I come across new evidence that casts doubt on theories that I previously endorsed I am ready to change my views and admit to past mistakes.

(3) As John West kindly reported in his open letter to Stower I have changed my views on the validity of the forgery theory. The relieving chambers are strictly off limits to the public and are extremely difficult to gain access to. I had been unable to obtain permission to visit them prior to the publication of Keeper/Message in 1996. However, in December 1997, Dr Zahi Hawass allowed me to spend an entire day exploring these chambers. There were no restrictions on where I looked and I had ample time to examine the hieroglyphs closely, under powerful lights. Cracks in some of the joints reveal hieroglyphs set far back into the masonry. No 'forger' could possibly have reached in there after the blocks had been set in place - blocks, I should add, that weigh tens of tons each and that are immovably interlinked with one another. The only reasonable conclusion is the one which orthodox Egyptologists have already long held - namely that the hieroglyphs are genuine Old Kingdom graffiti and that they were daubed on the blocks before construction began.

(4) I have stated my view on this matter several times in public lectures during and indeed before 1998. In my September 1998 book "Heaven's Mirror" (with photographer Santha Faiia), and in the accompanying television series "Quest for the Lost Civilization", I likewise make absolutely clear my full acceptance that the Great Pyramid (or at any rate most of it) was built during the Fourth Dynasty.

(5) This is not a sudden conversion. Although I was still open to the erroneous forgery theory while Keeper/Message was being written, I was also very much open to the orthodox theory that the Giza pyramids were Fourth Dynasty work - irrespective of the provenance of the quarry marks. The central thesis of Keeper/Message -- that the Giza monuments were built to commemorate the sky of 10,500 BC -- does not require us to conclude that all the monuments were necessarily built in that epoch. On the contrary I wrote in Keeper/Message that "the Great Pyramid must have some extremely strong connection with the epoch of 2500 BC - the approximate date at which all orthodox Egyptologists and archaeologists in fact believe it to have been built." Earlier, in Fingerprints of the Gods, I suggested that the ground-plan of the Giza monuments might have been devised in 10,500 BC but that the monuments themselves could have been built over an 8000-year period (from 10,500 BC down to 2500 BC). I pointed out that the Great Pyramid's famous star shafts unequivocally link the monument to the epoch of 2500 BC and that the construction levels through which the shafts run might be explained as "the later work of the same long-lived cult that laid out the Giza ground-plan in 10,450 BC.'

(6) Robert Bauval and I have jointly evolved a tentative 'theory of Giza' over the past five years of our work together. Briefly this theory -- which we offer as a serious alternative to the orthodox 'tombs and tombs only' hypothesis -- is that the three great pyramids of Giza, and the Great Sphinx, form a symbolic architectural model of some of the principal stars of the Duat sky-region (through which the Pharaohs believed that their souls would travel after death) as that sky-region appeared at dawn on the spring equinox in the epoch of 10,500 BC. Citing the geological findings of John Anthony West and Robert Schoch, we have argued, and continue to maintain, that the Great Sphinx and its associated megalithic structures may actually have been built in that distant epoch. We have also argued, and continue to maintain, that the three great pyramids in general are likely to be much younger than the Sphinx and that they should probably be assigned to the Fourth Dynasty (rather than to any other period) because of the alignments of the star shafts.

(7) Ultimately, however, our hypothesis does not stand or fall on the precise dates at which individual monuments were built. A symbolic architectural model of the Duat sky region as it last appeared in 10,500 BC could theoretically have been designed in any epoch (I repeat, in any epoch) by any culture possessing a knowledge of the astronomical cycle of precession and of how it alters stellar positions over long periods of time.

(8) In short, we are more interested in why such a model was built than when it was built.

(9) For the record I believe that Khufu did build the Great Pyramid - or anyway most of it (perhaps the subterranean chamber and some other rock-hewn parts of the structure may be earlier).

(10) For the record I do not believe that Khufu built the Pyramid as his tomb. The very fact that his name only appears within the monument in the form of quarry marks accidentally left behind in inaccessible chambers goes to prove that he was not such an ego-maniac. I think that he built it for another purpose altogether - a far loftier and much more mysterious purpose. Further details are provided in my forthcoming book "Heaven's Mirror" (UK and US publication, late September 1998) and in the accompanying TV series 'Quest For The Lost Civilization' (The Learning Chanel, US, August, 1998; Channel 4, UK, September/October 1998).

Graham Hancock
Devon, England, 22 July 1998
 
Question

Thank you Peter, I knew you'd come through with more information. Greatly appreciated. ;)

Question -since you included this part of the quote

For the record I do not believe that Khufu built the Pyramid as his tomb. The very fact that his name only appears within the monument in the form of quarry marks accidentally left behind in inaccessible chambers goes to prove that he was not such an ego-maniac. I think that he built it for another purpose altogether - a far loftier and much more mysterious purpose.
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What do you think the pyramids were built for?
 
Why where they built?

Yes Deborah that's an excellent question. Why were they built.

Perhaps they were built to answer Man's eternal questions.
1. Who are we / What am I?
2. Where are we from?
3. What was lost so long ago?

Perhaps the pryamids hold the answers these questions. I think they were built at the high-point of Mans spirituality / enlightenment.

What does everyone think?

Jason
 
Peter
I read in another post that you said you were a student in Egyptology. Where are you going to school? I'm going to major in Anthropology, but I'd love to go to graduate school for specifically Egyptology. The only reason I'm in Anthro here is because it's the closest I can get to Egyptology at my school. Do you know a few good schools for Egyptology?
Thanks,
Elle
 
Hi Peter (if you're still out there),

May I ask you to explain something else for me? It almost seems made up when I read it, that's why I'm asking you because I can't find any info on it.

I found this site http://www.pyramidofman.com/
and if you click on Osiris-Djed and scroll down, the guy mentions something from the texts in the temple of Horus at Edfu. I'm curious about the part where it says...

"I hold the peg, I grasp the handle of the club and grip the measuring cord with Seshat: I turn my eyes to the movements of the stars. I send forth my glance to Ursa Major....[Thoth?] stands beside his merkhet. I make firm the corners of thy temple."

Is this just something someone made up, or is it really in some text in the temple of Horus? If it is real, what does it mean? Because if it is real, then it reminds me of this here

Help?
-Sue ;)
 
I've been pretty busy with school and other real life issues lately, so my apologies for not being able to respond to questions addressed to me as soon as I would have liked.

Regarding Deborah's question related to Hancock's statement below:

For the record I do not believe that Khufu built the Pyramid as his tomb. The very fact that his name only appears within the monument in the form of quarry marks accidentally left behind in inaccessible chambers goes to prove that he was not such an ego-maniac. I think that he built it for another purpose altogether - a far loftier and much more mysterious purpose.
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For the record, Hancock knows very little about ancient Egypt and thus he is unable, with his poor knowledge base, to put such things in proper context. Had he studied ancient Egypt to a reasonable degree, he would certainly understand that not having hieroglyphs in a pyramid built during Khufu's reign is expected.

Hieroglyphs were not formally included in pyramids until Unas in the 6th dynasty. His sensationalized pop-egyptology is the cause of so many urban myths and general misunderstandings. For some context, lets look over the list of major pyramids built during the Old Kingdom in chronological order:

Unfinished Step Pyramid of Sekhemkhet - No formal texts
The Layer Pyramid- No formal texts
The Unfinished Pyramid of Nebka at Zawiet el Aryan- No formal texts
The Pyramid at Meidum- No formal texts
The Bent Pyramid - No formal texts
The Red Pyramid- No formal texts
The Pyramid of Khufu- No formal texts
The Pyramid of Djedefre- No formal texts
The Pyramid of Khafre- No formal texts
The Pyramid of Menkaure- No formal texts
The Mastabet Fara'un- No formal texts
The Pyramid of Weserkaf- No formal texts
The Pyramid of Sahure- No formal texts
The Pyramid of Neferirkare- No formal texts
The Pyramid of Neferefre- No formal texts
The Pyramid of Neuserre- No formal texts
The Pyramid of Dedkare Isesi- No formal texts
The Pyramid of Unas - Pyramid texts included
The Pyramid of Teti- Pyramid texts included
The Pyramid of Pepi I- Pyramid texts included
The Pyramid of Merenre- Pyramid texts included
The Pyramid of Pepi II- Pyramid texts included
The Pyramid of Iby- Pyramid texts included

So, as you can see, once the pyramid of Khufu (I hesitate to call it "great") is seen in context with the other pyramids built at this time, the fact that there are no formal inscriptions in the pyramid is far from extraordinary. Hancock's position thus falls flat and his ignorance of ancient Egypt is plainly exposed.

Now, in answer to your question, I believe the pyramid of Khufu, like the others, was built to serve as his tomb. However, another urban myth clinged upon by those of the alternodoxy is that Egyptologists believe the pyramid served as a tomb and tomb only. This is not true, it was a tomb and a "machine", of sorts, which propelled the king's ka into the afterlife. At the time of Khufu's pyramid's construction it was believed that the pyramid itself would serve this function. As religion and culture evolved in ancient Egypt, so too did the pyramids. By the time of Unas' reign it was the texts included in the burial chamber and associated temples which served this function, not so much the pyramid itself.

The claims of forgery of the quarry marks are absolutely groundless. As Hancock said, they continue between cracks and could not have been daubed after contruction. Secondly, and most damning of all, they include Khufu's Horus name. The Horus Name was not understood during Vyse's time, and Khufu's was not known. It is therefore impossible for Vyse to have forged the name Horus Medjedu.

The pyramid was built by Khufu and, perhaps disappointing to some, is not all that mysterious.
 
Well, it isn't entirely true that the Egyptians did not leave records of how they built them. Several reliefs show workers dragging blocks, working them and lubricating transportation roads.

Little should be made of the fact that the Egyptians left few records of their work. The same can be said for almost any other civilization in history, even King Edward's castle projects in the 14th century. The pyramids aren't magical or terribly mysterious. No more so than the many building projects of the Romans, the Greeks, the Persians, the Incans, the Mayans, the Olmecs, etc, etc.

Where are the records for the method of construction relating to Pericles' parthenon?

And, yes, equipment used in the construction of the pyramids have been found at pyramid sites. Coincidently (or not - obviously), it is the same equipment depicted in the reliefs showing construction projects.

Try not to isolate the pyramids.
 
HI Peter,

I am very interested in what you said here.

Egyptologists believe the pyramid served as a tomb and tomb only. This is not true, it was a tomb and a "machine", of sorts, which propelled the king's ka into the afterlife. At the time of Khufu's pyramid's construction it was believed that the pyramid itself would serve this function.
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I am not as interested in HOW the Great Pyramids was built - I am more interested in what it was used for. ;) It seems the Egyptian Book of The Dead..holds many possible clues?

From what you have studied of the EBOD..what parts are most telling?
 
Thanks again Peter for the pics. I'm just confused over the third picture...what are they doing there? It's hard to see. I already know what the egyptologist's theories are concerning what the pyramid was used for, and I think that their theories are fine unless some other information turns up that says otherwise.

May I elaborate on a theory?

In "theory" the extraterrestrials did not make Egypt some technologically advanced civilisation with shopping malls and motorcycles etc. etc. They merely brought them "basic tools" to work with. I say basic because an anti-gravity machine would be a basic tool to people from another planet that is perhaps millions of years older and more advanced than our own. It would be like people going into let's just say Africa, and teaching them to use water pumps for fresh water and farming, without over-running their village. So Egypt would stil maintain it's own laws and culture. And maybe this wasn't done in just Egypt, but other places around the world that used gigantic stones to build with.

Anyway, would you mind explaining the Djed pillar, or backbone of Osiris a little for me? And how it was connected to the temples and pyramid? I've read so much crap about it up on the internet that I don't know what the real egyptologist's think about it.

Oh, and by the way...liked your website. -Sue ;)
 
Curious me.......

Hi Peter,

I am curious -what does your research say "The Pit" was used for? Also -is there anything that suggests that there is another chamber above the King's chamber? A room -with no entrance hallways? *S*S*S My memories beg for information...and perhaps validation. I recall a procession of sorts gathering in the pit that would then proceed from there into the Queens chamber and then the Kings chamber. ;) Indulge me - would you please?
 
Egyptian Lives

Hey, guys. I'm new here. I can't give you any explanations or hard facts, sorry. I can only share my experience, and I can't even swear to it's authenticity. With all that in mind, here goes.

I have a disorder called Post Tramautic Stress Disorder. I was diagnosed about 8 years ago. The flashbacks I would have to earlier experiences were very difficult to deal with. I became used to seeking the safety of my bed when I felt one coming on. About six years ago, I felt one coming on, and did my usual hit the bed and pull the covers over my head bit. They were always very frightening, and I found I felt safer that way.

That day, I started by seeing people building something. I don't want to take up too much space with details, but I thought to myself "When did I see that? It looks so old." More fragments surfaced, and to my shock and total confusion, I realized that it was old, very old, and I wasn't ME. I was male. I thought it was ancient Egypt, but I don't know why now I thought that, or what time it was.

I had a feeling that I had been deserted, abadoned, and left behind. I was furious, scared, absolutely out of my mind with terror and confusion. I was very angry with my father in particular. I kept yelling "They called me mongrel. They called me half-breed." My mother--I don't know. She seemed too powerful and far away to be angry with. I ended up at the home of a woman who seemed almost to be expecting me. She was sooo calm, despite the fact that I was still freaking out, rolling around on her floor and pushing away from her. She had her hair in two braids, and her hair was red, naturally or not. She tried to feed me, pomegranates and nuts I believe. That is the clearest memory. Her calm and my terror.

There were a few other flashes. Dog headed gods. A screaming man being lowered into something, that perhaps had a shiny blue lining. I don't know. I really don't want to put anything down that I am not a least a little more clear on.

This is the earliest, I think, life that I have remembered, or accessed, or whatever. I don't think I had such a great time. Hope yours were better.
 
Deborah,

There is nothing above the King's Chamber, no.

I'm actually not sure what the SCT's purpose was. Some Egyptologists believe it was originally inteded to serve as the main burial chamber and was abandoned in favour of a room in the superstructure of the pyramid itself. This theory has some weight as the SCT is still uncompleted. You can still see the last chisel marks.
 
Hi Peter,
Hope all is well with you.
And I do hope you don't mind another question.
Can you tell me what is/was buried beneath Karnak?
It may relate to mk-t ba, which I believe is some kind of protective amulet in the form of Horus.
I wish I could explain more but this was just something said by my guide during a meditation last night. And at that time mk-t ba was something I'd never even heard of.
Best wishes to you,
Gemeni.
 
Thanks Peter

*S*S*S If you every figure out what the "pit" was used for -would you let us know?

As for the room near the Apex - -well - there are no passage ways to it. So -I guessed - the answer was" no." BUT -if they ever find one - I'll be doing tha happy dance. ;)
 
Another Question

Peter - can you translate the name -

Sekt Hehomen - have you ever seen it written somewhere?
 
Egypt: Need I say more?

Ok, here we go again. EGYPT. I am going to write about are some truths that I either remember from a past live there or some other way just know to be true or real. It was long ago, best guess would be 3000 to 15,000 BC. I don’t believe that pyramids are as new as some people claim. In fact I think they are much older, maybe older than 15,000 years. I had dark eyes; my hair was shaved on the sides and maybe an inch on the top. I was muscular and maybe 6 feet tall. I had one or two tattoos on either my left or both of my upper arms by the triceps / biceps. I had the touch to heal others. I know that most of the wisdom, knowledge, and technologies of that time have been forgotten and or stowed away by mysterious people who preserve the knowledge. Water, fire and air were very important. Somehow I drew strength from a flame of a candle or other device. I could control my body temperature so that heat and cold had little affect on me. I think I had or there was some way I / we could stay young there. I don’t recall any physically old people there. I know I could easily separate mind and body or spirit and body. I remember having an increased ability to see things mentally. I know that the stars, moon and sun were very important. I know there was a tremendous sense of ‘light’ and ‘goodness’ there.

Somehow I have knowledge of an entire existence there that isn’t well known. An underworld that was either real or was just a place that you could go to spiritually. It was identical to the upper world that was on the land. On the land at night you could see all the stars at night and the landscape. In this other world is was always darker. But on the ceiling of this place there you could see stars. There were lights of some type that may have been powered by some type of fuel from under the ground that was infinite. It was almost cave-like but it was as fast as the upper world and as spacious. I don’t remember ‘seeing’ anyone there.

Speculation at this time: I bet that the technology that they had was internal. Something that was ours, from our minds. It was the power of thought. Why build a huge crane to life stones went though would be more efficient. How do I relearn this is my biggest question now.

I just had another though. Why was the staff so important? I will reflect more on this one……………………..

---Jason---
 
And now you're getting somewhere.:)

O.K here's something about the staff - and yes it's very very important.
http://wakinggod1.blogspot.com/2011/01/ophiuchus.html
The serpent staff is almost certainly what you're thinking of.

The stars on the ceiling are also a major thing. As is being in an underground chamber. Did you get any detail yet about the passages that lead there?

I had such a strong vision of the stars on the ceiling that when I was a little girl I insisted that my bedroom ceiling was painted with them. At that time I had no idea why I had to have them - just did. And I didn't know anything about Egypt at that time.

I don't know how you're getting your information, but whatever you're doing, just keep going. You're doing really well.

All the power does indeed come from within. You'll be more and more amazed as you discover more about it.
 
About that staff and light .............

Hi Jason,

I pulled a few memories of my own -of the staff - of course it is seen in many Egyptian statues, and the first few memory reflects that; These are just excerpts over a ten year period.

I looked around the temple and I could see a sandstone figure of a lion to my left and next to the lion is a statue of a Pharaoh holding a rod and staff.
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I was told to walk into the scepter. This was a very bright light which was above the head and was illuminous with light.
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I was again told to step into the scepter.(?) This scepter was above head level, and the end of it emanated a powerful light which then seemed to charge and clear the vibrations in the body.
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The following memory was about four years ago. I will add some information about the open mouth ceremony later. It's quite interesting really.

Then I turned and faced a man who stood in an arched door way. He had on the crown of lower and upper Egypt combined. He had gold on his crown and his necklaces, bracelets and he held a staff made of gold with inlaid stones of red, blue and turquoise.

At the top of the staff was the head of a cobra with it's mouth open and inside of the opening was a crystal. I stood before him and he pointed the staff at me. An intense blue white light came from the crystal and starting from my feet he moved the light upward in a spiral movement through my being. I knew that he was doing this to clear my energies before I entered the "room."
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I also remember walking the tunnels with a 'light.'

At one point I was holding a stone or crystal that seemed to be illuminated from inside.
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I look forward to your "staff" memories and your thoughts about its importance. ;) Hiya Gemeni! I am off to check out your link. :):)
 
Hiya Deborah:D

Ah ha, so you've visited the tunnels too eh?;) I'm pretty certain where they are now. They've only just been discovered!!!!!!!
The photos I've seen so far of what's being excavated look just about right so far.

Do you know I have an inkling that they're going to find....not at all what they expect!!!:D ;)
Love,
Gem.
 
Yes...........and WATER!

Do you remember the pools of water -underground? It was like a city under the city. :):)

I am behind the times -a link to what they have found PLEASE?
 
Blissful water!!

Yes, I know the water very well.

The passages are known as The Trial Passages and they are currently undergoing all kinds of exploration and geological surveys. They cover a pretty huge area all around the pyramids at Giza and also around the Sphinx.
Here's a link.
www.rosetau.com/trial.html

Some of the passages are known to be at least 22 metres long.
 
Lake

So that's where the lake is..........................I have been stumped but now it's so clear.......................... and explains so much. I bet that's where I have an intense desire to be near and see water so much.

Jason
 
Spirit trip

And it continues. I think this is how it was/is. We'd go into the pyramid, at Giza, and go throught the tunnels to the chamber. Then be prepared for the trip. Your body stays in the chamber and the soul / spirit passes to the other world. The underworld, where the lake is and the ceiling with the stars. I do know that not everyone is allowed to go there and when there you learn more about yourself. I don't recall there being a sun and moon there, only stars, water, and it seemed to be rockey but smooth at the same time. Don't recall any trees.............

So who here knows about the "cap" for the G.P. @ G?

Jason
 
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